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Are 'pass rushers' worth 100mil?

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I just don't see how a pass rusher is comparable to a quarterback in terms of money.

JJ WATT may be the only exception to this law. A great defense wins championships but Suh, Watt, Mario Williams, and Houston are the highest paid defensive players in the league. What have the Chiefs, Texans, Bills, or Lions won? No division titles, no playoff games..

Spend money on the QB position instead of crippling the team by signing a linebacker to 100 mil.
 
Agreed! I think it's ridiculous. You can't tie up money like that on a player outside of a QB. It's bad enough you have to give an elite QB that kind of money.....but at least it's warranted.
 
Looking at the list and then comparing it to a elite QB list, would tell most all they need to know.

You start at QB and protecting your QB, then you look for pass rushers......................
 
Joe Green was the guy they built a franchise around and that worked rather well back then. The qb for the steelers was making a fraction of the salary that Archie Manning was getting and he did not win anything(Archie) where as Terry the underpaid won four championships. I suspect the team needs to be able to put money to where the ability and value are on their team. I also suspect there are lots of qbs that are way over paid based on the value to their team. There is much more to consider than the salary and to arbitrarily decide that x player is not worth such and such because of position. Had James Harrison not made a touch down after that interception it is likely the steelers do not get back in the game and win that championship. So the defensive play that significantly contributed to a championship is likely worth quite a lot as is the player that made it.

Some folks over value fantasy point producers but fail to value the players that win championships with out cheating.
 
Steelerfan81 said:
I just don't see how a pass rusher is comparable to a quarterback in terms of money.

JJ WATT may be the only exception to this law. A great defense wins championships but Suh, Watt, Mario Williams, and Houston are the highest paid defensive players in the league. What have the Chiefs, Texans, Bills, or Lions won? No division titles, no playoff games..

Spend money on the QB position instead of crippling the team by signing a linebacker to 100 mil.
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My two cents...

If you cannot and do not have a franchise QB - then you damn well better find a franchise pass rusher. None of the teams mentioned above have a FQB. So, they have the money to spend on a FPR - we do not have that luxury. Those same teams are wishing they had a FQB; but, since they don't they spend the money on defense and hope to win by the old adage of "defense wins championships"...
 
I don't think PR is worth Franchise QB money. But as Berm says, these teams have the money and no FQB. in signing these franchise pass rushers, these team seal the fact that they will NOT sign a FQB. Unless one happens to fall to them or they get draft lucky. Then they might not be able to sign anyways. I like our STEELERS, but in the not to distant future, we will be looking for our FQB. Ben, spoil us while your here, PLEASE.!!!!!!!!!



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Drink IRON City said:
I don't think PR is worth Franchise QB money. But as Berm says, these teams have the money and no FQB. in signing these franchise pass rushers, these team seal the fact that they will NOT sign a FQB. Unless one happens to fall to them or they get draft lucky. Then they might not be able to sign anyways. I like our STEELERS, but in the not to distant future, we will be looking for our FQB. Ben, spoil us while your here, PLEASE.!!!!!!!!!



Salute the nation
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Spike would say that my flock has "groweth"...
 
Teams have to spend the money (cash).

If you don't have a franchise quarterback, where is your money going? Who do you spend it on?

The problem with free agency is you are rewarding behavior you DON'T want from your drafted, young players. If you organization goes out and makes a guy that hasn't sweat and worked through his rookie contract, in front of everyone else in the locker room, the highest paid player on the team what does that tell all the other rookie-contract players on your roster?

Teams that live/die by free agents aren't bad because the free agents never live up to their contract values. It's that they are undermining the rhetoric you try to build as the foundation of your franchise: Be a good rookie. Work hard. Team first. The team will reward it's own. Act appropriately off the field.

Free agents, by definition, somehow have failed something in that equation. That's why teams let them become free agents (there are exceptions, but not many).

So again, the rise in salaries is directly related to the size of the pie and the fact free agents are not always the answer and can hurt your ability to negotiate with your rookie-contract players. If you don't have a franchise quarterback, might as well set an example of someone like Justin Houston. He was a 3rd round pick. Worked hard. Put the team first. Out-performed his value (by a lot). Acted appropriately off the field.

When you overpay someone like Houston, you create a road map for every 2nd round - 5th round rookie that walks in the door that there IS this potential for your career here in Kansas City. But you have to do it the right way.
 
deljzc said:
Teams have to spend the money (cash).

If you don't have a franchise quarterback, where is your money going? Who do you spend it on?

The problem with free agency is you are rewarding behavior you DON'T want from your drafted, young players. If you organization goes out and makes a guy that hasn't sweat and worked through his rookie contract, in front of everyone else in the locker room, the highest paid player on the team what does that tell all the other rookie-contract players on your roster?

Teams that live/die by free agents aren't bad because the free agents never live up to their contract values. It's that they are undermining the rhetoric you try to build as the foundation of your franchise: Be a good rookie. Work hard. Team first. The team will reward it's own. Act appropriately off the field.

Free agents, by definition, somehow have failed something in that equation. That's why teams let them become free agents (there are exceptions, but not many).

So again, the rise in salaries is directly related to the size of the pie and the fact free agents are not always the answer and can hurt your ability to negotiate with your rookie-contract players. If you don't have a franchise quarterback, might as well set an example of someone like Justin Houston. He was a 3rd round pick. Worked hard. Put the team first. Out-performed his value (by a lot). Acted appropriately off the field.

When you overpay someone like Houston, you create a road map for every 2nd round - 5th round rookie that walks in the door that there IS this potential for your career here in Kansas City. But you have to do it the right way.
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Well said del:thumb:
 
Ray Lewis would like to take a stab at this conversation, to show how slicing the proverbial cash pie will allow other players to have a stake in this, but he doesn't want to just cut in on the responses.
 
Free agents, by definition, somehow have failed something in that equation. That's why teams let them become free agents (there are exceptions, but not many)
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A couple teams that tried the free agent route didn't get the results they anticipated. Around '03 Spurrier tried it with the Skins and Tom Donahoe, the Bills' president and general manager, understood his team lacked defensive stoppers. He signed defensive tackle Sam Adams, linebackers Takeo Spikes and Jeff Posey, and safety Izell Reese. To my recollection, non of it worked.
 
I am not totally against free agency.

But you have to be very, very careful where the free agent ends up in the salary pecking order inside the locker room. I would never make a free agent the highest paid player on my team. Never.

There is nothing wrong with signing free agents for gaps in your roster or to strengthen your depth and promote competition in camp.

In my experience leadership in the locker room is as much based on salary as it is on work ethic example and on-field production. So when you pay someone, you immediately anoint them some amount of leadership credibility. That's why real life isn't like Madden Football. The best talent on the field isn't always the best leader in the locker room but once you make that person the highest paid player on the team, that in itself is cause for young players to look up to them and emulate them.

I'm not a fan of paying WR's as much as Dez Bryant, but there is some logical reasons to reward him for working hard and keeping his nose clean this long. It kind of tells all the problem draft picks you draft (if you choose that direction at draft time) that there is a light at the end of the tunnel IF you stay clean and don't get in trouble. Whether Bryant continues to stay on the straight and narrow now that he got his big payday is still to be determined. But he made it successfully past the first big hurdle of his career. There are a lot that don't.
 
I think the league is changing on this and the pass rushers are going to dramatically increase in value...

With the way the NFL has changed the rules regarding pass coverage downfield, the ability to get to the quarterback is becoming much more critical. Elite pass rushers like JJ Watt and others are making game-changing plays. Now, are they truly worth all that money? I say yes. When you look at the teams that are winning SuperBowls, they are teams with good QB's AND a viable pass rush. Most notably the Seattle Seahawks two years ago and the NY Giants in 2012. Both teams were able to get to the QB and disrupt the game...
 
Free agency seems to work for Denver and New England. And on a lesser note the Steelers.

If you have one or two holes it can damn sure quick fix a team if you make the right choices for your team.

Farrior, Kevin Greene, and the Bus. Some notable players brought in.

John L. Williams and Staley, on a lesser note.

I think the one or two player approach is fine as long as you don't bring in 7 or 8 and think that is going to magically mesh and bring you a championship.
 
slashsteel said:
Free agency seems to work for Denver and New England. And on a lesser note the Steelers.

If you have one or two holes it can damn sure quick fix a team if you make the right choices for your team.

Farrior, Kevin Greene, and the Bus. Some notable players brought in.

John L. Williams and Staley, on a lesser note.

I think the one or two player approach is fine as long as you don't bring in 7 or 8 and think that is going to magically mesh and bring you a championship.
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I think you are right. Remember the Eagles "Dream Team" ?
 
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