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Almost half the team did not want to be in the locker room!

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http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2017/...lanueva-for-standing-for-national-anthem.html

" Offensive tackle Chris Hubbard told Penn Live that the players, by a slim majority, voted in favor of staying off the field instead of standing on the sideline holding hands. "

I'd like to know who voted for staying in the locker room, and for those who think Tomlin wanted to unify the team by asking everyone to stay inside you might want to reconsider!
 
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Coach said:
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2017/...lanueva-for-standing-for-national-anthem.html

" Offensive tackle Chris Hubbard told Penn Live that the players, by a slim majority, voted in favor of staying off the field instead of standing on the sideline holding hands. "

I'd like to know who voted for staying in the locker room, and for those who think Tomlin wanted to unify the team by asking everyone to stay inside you might want to reconsider!
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Coach I know you can't help yourself form being an attention hog, but start getting some reading comprehension help if you are trying start (or continue another post on the same subject) more debate.

Tomlin didn't tell anyone to stay inside or outside, he told the players whatever decision the players make, for it to be team decision. Whether on the field or not. They did. Not Tomlin. He only specified unity in any decision they made, you know because it's a team sport. Not individual.

As for you wanting to know who would have or not stood, that's the reason Tomlin left it up to the players to decide. So players with opinions and those without opinions are both protected from vilification when they haven't expressed them before, but were put into the position to do so.

Their decision is a completely different matter altogether and the apologies and fallout has already begun. Feel free to start another thread....in the political form. We know you will.



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I just watched Villenueva take ALL the blame for the outrage against the Steelers. This has added insult to injury. And in his statement he was clear that there were many other players who would have been there with him if they had known he made the decision to go out there. Therefore, there was something said to the team as a whole that made them believe they could not or should not go.
To bring in another thread regarding the NFL players handbook which clearly indicates the expectations for players to be on the field and standing during the anthem.... For those who are making this such a "bad, bad, Trump" issue- has it occurred to those folks that when Trump suggested the league and owner fire players who do not stand that he is supporting an employer following through on the commitment/contract made with a player, ,which the player has broken. These entitled idiots think they can do anything with no fallout on themselves. In my job it I were to deliberately fail to follow the mandates laid out by my supervisor- and signed off by me as I assume the players did as well- I would be fired.
 
NFL fans need to organize their own protest.

Show up for the National Anthem, then leave their seats and walk out ....so the first snap tv coverage shows empty stadiums

They can watch the 1st qtr on the concourses - that'll shake the owners up - empty stadiums in EVERY game on Sunday tee vee!
 
Ike Kelly said:
Coach I know you can't help yourself form being an attention hog, but start getting some reading comprehension help if you are trying start (or continue another post on the same subject) more debate.

Tomlin didn't tell anyone to stay inside or outside, he told the players whatever decision the players make, for it to be team decision. Whether on the field or not. They did. Not Tomlin. He only specified unity in any decision they made, you know because it's a team sport. Not individual.

As for you wanting to know who would have or not stood, that's the reason Tomlin left it up to the players to decide. So players with opinions and those without opinions are both protected from vilification when they haven't expressed them before, but were put into the position to do so.

Their decision is a completely different matter altogether and the apologies and fallout has already begun. Feel free to start another thread....in the political form. We know you will.



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The passive agressive agenda must be pushed
 
Spike said:
NFL fans need to organize their own protest.

Show up for the National Anthem, then leave their seats and walk out ....so the first snap tv coverage shows empty stadiums

They can watch the 1st qtr on the concourses - that'll shake the owners up - empty stadiums in EVERY game on Sunday tee vee!
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I dunno once the seats are paid for do deep pockets care?
 
AmericanSteeler said:
I just watched Villenueva take ALL the blame for the outrage against the Steelers. This has added insult to injury. And in his statement he was clear that there were many other players who would have been there with him if they had known he made the decision to go out there. Therefore, there was something said to the team as a whole that made them believe they could not or should not go.
To bring in another thread regarding the NFL players handbook which clearly indicates the expectations for players to be on the field and standing during the anthem.... For those who are making this such a "bad, bad, Trump" issue- has it occurred to those folks that when Trump suggested the league and owner fire players who do not stand that he is supporting an employer following through on the commitment/contract made with a player, ,which the player has broken. These entitled idiots think they can do anything with no fallout on themselves. In my job it I were to deliberately fail to follow the mandates laid out by my supervisor- and signed off by me as I assume the players did as well- I would be fired.
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Fake bullshit right here. AV's the only one to come out unscathed...go back to the drawing board, bucko.
 
slashsteel said:
I dunno once the seats are paid for do deep pockets care?
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SPONSORS!

It's the optics of empty stadiums being broadcast all over the world!

all it will take is one major sponsor to panic and bail and the rout will be on
 
Spike said:
SPONSORS!

It's the optics of empty stadiums being broadcast all over the world!

all it will take is one major sponsor to panic and bail and the rout will be on
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Pepsi or bud light seem to be the biggest sponsors
 
This requires multiple re-reads to fully comprehend what Villanueva is really saying:

Villanueva told reporters that he had asked quarterback Ben Roethlisberger to be at the front of the group in the tunnel so he could see the flag, an important symbol for him, even if he was okay with the Steelers' decision to stand in the tunnel. However, Villanueva apparently walked too far out of the tunnel. And in the confusion of the Chicago Bears' stadium, he found himself outside of the tunnel when the anthem began playing, so he decided to stand and wait.

"Unfortunately, I threw my teammates under the bus, unintentionally," Villanueva said. "Every single time I see that picture of me standing by myself I feel embarrassed to a degree because unintentionally I left my teammates behind."
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Basically, he wasn't even planning on being out there by himself, just walked too far out of the tunnel?

So let's get this straight, for the record:

1. He was okay with the Steelers' decision to stand in the tunnel.
2. He inadvertently walked too far out of the tunnel.
3. In the confusion of the Chicago Bears' stadium, he found himself outside of the tunnel when the anthem began playing, so he decided to stand and wait.
 
I'm disappointed that there continues to be discussion about this. Tomlin had the right approach. The TEAM makes a decision, and then the individuals support the team.

When I saw Villanueva in the tunnel, I thought to myself that he had thrown his teammates under the bus. There were others who probably felt the way he did, but as a TEAM they decided how THEY would respond. Villanueva has been in the military. He knows you don't go rogue. I do believe he owes his teammates an apology.

Chris Hubbard spoke about the vote, and how many people voted for and against. He has no business talking about a decision hat was made behind closed doors to the media/public. The team chose to handle it the way they did to avoid putting anyone. HE owes his teammates an apology too.

Finally, Ben is now saying that he didn't agree, and felt that they should have gone on the field. Sorry, but you address those issues in house, but when you step out that door, you present a United front.

As a 20 year military veteran, I thought the Steelers took the best possible approach out of a unwinnable situation. I'm really disappointed in how this has been handled subsequently. It really makes me question the cohesion on the team.


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Cras108er said:
I'm disappointed that there continues to be discussion about this. Tomlin had the right approach. The TEAM makes a decision, and then the individuals support the team.

When I saw Villanueva in the tunnel, I thought to myself that he had thrown his teammates under the bus. There were others who probably felt the way he did, but as a TEAM they decided how THEY would respond. Villanueva has been in the military. He knows you don't go rogue. I do believe he owes his teammates an apology.

Chris Hubbard spoke about the vote, and how many people voted for and against. He has no business talking about a decision hat was made behind closed doors to the media/public. The team chose to handle it the way they did to avoid putting anyone. HE owes his teammates an apology too.

Finally, Ben is now saying that he didn't agree, and felt that they should have gone on the field. Sorry, but you address those issues in house, but when you step out that door, you present a United front.

As a 20 year military veteran, I thought the Steelers took the best possible approach out of a unwinnable situation. I'm really disappointed in how this has been handled subsequently. It really makes me question the cohesion on the team.


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Pretty much 100% my thoughts
 
Coach said:
Almost half the team did not want to be in the locker room!
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I'd wager it was the half of the team that had some sort of protest on their minds, be it linking arms, kneeling, what have you.

Since there was no consensus, they elected to stay together in the tunnel. Job well done. Turn the page, get ready for the Ratbirds.
 
Tibs said:
Amazing how many snowflakes are triggered by this. Lol, by all means send over your Steelers gear before you set it on fire.
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To be honest I've been irate at the league for 10 years mostly because of what Goodell and the owners have let it become. If these protests are what it takes to make their bottom line suffer and bite them in the ***, then so be it. I find it fantastic that the ratings are starting to fall and I hope it continues.
 
And just like that, Trump has derailed the season in ******* week 3. And why? Cause he wanted a cheap crowd pop down in Bama to feed his massive ego.
 
Tibs said:
Amazing how many snowflakes are triggered by this. Lol, by all means send over your Steelers gear before you set it on fire.
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Also amazing how many snowflakes believed in media propaganda to the point that they had to take action. When everyone is equal in this country. They are the real snowflakes raining down on the game and my time. My free time for entertainment is valuable. I choose not to have the bullshit ruin the sport I love.

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Tibs said:
This requires multiple re-reads to fully comprehend what Villanueva is really saying:



Basically, he wasn't even planning on being out there by himself, just walked too far out of the tunnel?

So let's get this straight, for the record:

1. He was okay with the Steelers' decision to stand in the tunnel.
2. He inadvertently walked too far out of the tunnel.
3. In the confusion of the Chicago Bears' stadium, he found himself outside of the tunnel when the anthem began playing, so he decided to stand and wait.
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I am not sure I buy it. Walking too far out of the tunnel is 2 or 3 feet, not 10 or 15 yards. Either way, stand up guy for taking it on himself.
 
Cras108er said:
I'm disappointed that there continues to be discussion about this. Tomlin had the right approach. The TEAM makes a decision, and then the individuals support the team.

When I saw Villanueva in the tunnel, I thought to myself that he had thrown his teammates under the bus. There were others who probably felt the way he did, but as a TEAM they decided how THEY would respond. Villanueva has been in the military. He knows you don't go rogue. I do believe he owes his teammates an apology.

Chris Hubbard spoke about the vote, and how many people voted for and against. He has no business talking about a decision hat was made behind closed doors to the media/public. The team chose to handle it the way they did to avoid putting anyone. HE owes his teammates an apology too.

Finally, Ben is now saying that he didn't agree, and felt that they should have gone on the field. Sorry, but you address those issues in house, but when you step out that door, you present a United front.

As a 20 year military veteran, I thought the Steelers took the best possible approach out of a unwinnable situation. I'm really disappointed in how this has been handled subsequently. It really makes me question the cohesion on the team.


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Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!
 
Al was walking to the field to pay tribute, he owes nobody a apology. nobody.

Best possible approach is to stand on the ******* field in unity STFU and stand and respect the flag. Then go play football.

That is how you WIN, ignore the political agenda. Just make ever day business as usual.
 
Tibs said:
This requires multiple re-reads to fully comprehend what Villanueva is really saying:



Basically, he wasn't even planning on being out there by himself, just walked too far out of the tunnel?

So let's get this straight, for the record:

1. He was okay with the Steelers' decision to stand in the tunnel.
2. He inadvertently walked too far out of the tunnel.
3. In the confusion of the Chicago Bears' stadium, he found himself outside of the tunnel when the anthem began playing, so he decided to stand and wait.
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Yeah I'm not buying it either. To point #2, he said he "just wanted to see flag." Come on man! You can come up with something better than that.

If he couldn't live with the decision of the team, then don't be part of the team, but don't glory hog at your team's expense.

BTW, I don't care what the decision of the team was. If they'd decided they were all going to go out on the field, I'd say the same thing about anyone who chose to stay back.

FYI, until 2009, teams didn't go out on the field for the National Anthem. It was only after the DOD paid $5M out of their recruitment budget to the NFL to have the players come out as a marketing ploy that they started doing it. So don't give me this crap about him being "compelled" to pay his respects.


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