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After Barkley this draft class is either crap or a crap shoot

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Starting to look at the draft class and mostly positions of need. With Bell being tagged and some of his comments the need at RB obviously increased exponentially. But watching tape on these guys and after Barkley there’s a lot of guys I’d take off my board.

Derrius Guice seems to be the consensus #2 back. Looked good in shorts at the combine, he’s young like Bell was at only 20, stats looked decent. Then I watch him vs Alabama, Florida and Auburn and he looks like hot garbage. Look at his game log and he piles up yards vs ****. Watched the BYU game (55th vs run) and he never once got touched before he’s 2 yards past the LOS. Usually he was 5-6 yards. A better back would have had 200+ yards. He’s not a day one or two pick IMO.

Ron Jones II would probably be the consensus #3 back in the draft. IMO he’s the only other first round consideration. I think day two is more likely but there’s a HUGE difference between him and Barkley but there’s even a bigger gap between him and my #3 back. He has elite speed, good vision, understands pass pro, and though has limited film catching seems to be a natural hand catcher.

My #3 back might be a surprise but it’s Sony Michel. Elite speed, loose hips, good burst, and again can pass protect. But IMO he’s a third round pick in my book.

Looking at Barkley he’s so much better than any running back I’ve seen since Adrian Peterson. Iowa used a 2 LB 1 safety set which was ineffective because Barkley was so much better than Joey Jewell and 41 & 27. Ohio State used Baker, Fuller, and Jones or Booker to track #26. A better offense coordinator would have had Gesicki eat them alive over the middle with play action. But watching tape Barkley for most the season occupied 3 defenders. Three. He regularly played vs top 40 run defenses and stole their lunch money. He even saved PSU in their Bowl vs #1 run defense Washington going for 137 on 18 carries and 2 scores and added 7 receptions for 38 more. He wasn’t supposed to play a lot because he was going pro and Franklin didn’t want to risk injuring him. But he has a passion for football and a desire to win and help his teammates.

At this point I’d honestly trade Bell, our first round pick for #1 and their #65. I’d do it every time and wouldn’t hesitate.



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Sure, I would do the same but as dumb as Cleveland is, they aren't that dumb. There will never be another Hershel Walker type trade and doing this with Bell is what would have to happen.
 
That wouldn’t be a Hershel Walker or Ricky Williams type trade. Essentially we’d swap 1st round picks and they’d give us a third for Bell.


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I think the talent level is all right in 2018. What maters most for the Steelers is does the talent pool match our biggest needs. I would say mostly yes at ILB, S. There is good depth at RB is Me'Veon leaves
 
Cleveland should just give us their draft picks anyway. That's just a team where good players go to die in God awful colors.
 
That wouldn’t be a Hershel Walker or Ricky Williams type trade. Essentially we’d swap 1st round picks and they’d give us a third for Bell.


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It is close. Moving up to the No. 1 overall pick is worth at least our No. 1 this year and next year, assuming we make the playoffs again. No one would give us that for Bell even now.
 
It is close. Moving up to the No. 1 overall pick is worth at least our No. 1 this year and next year, assuming we make the playoffs again. No one would give us that for Bell even now.

Giving up on several draft years vs swapping first round picks is not close.


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This year our #1 and next year our #1 + Bell to Cleveland..........YES. Goodbye problem...........hello cure. Barckley is, in this case, the answer. We would also clear cap and sign needed "D". I truely wonder if that could happen with the "tag" situation and if Cleveland would consider it?????



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I'd be happy if we picked up Sony Michel on day two.

I agree. He would be a good addition. Defense first though. Worst case scenario is Conner plays the first half of the season, Bell plays the second and you draft a running back high in '19.
 
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I agree. He would be a good addition. Defense first though. Worst case scenario is Conner plays the first half of the season, Bell plays the second and you draft a running back high in '19.

Connor lasted 68 offensive plays before being injured and out cor the season. One complaint against bell is "injury history " when he was injured, IIRC, by a specific type of hit by a known dirty player both time. We want to trust the first half of the season to a guy that didnt last 68 snaps?
 
Connor lasted 68 offensive plays before being injured and out cor the season. One complaint against bell is "injury history " when he was injured, IIRC, by a specific type of hit by a known dirty player both time. We want to trust the first half of the season to a guy that didnt last 68 snaps?
Nope which is why the ex pats RB was brought in last year, because of injury concerns.

Same reason one needs to be added one way or another.......
 
Starting to look at the draft class and mostly positions of need. With Bell being tagged and some of his comments the need at RB obviously increased exponentially. But watching tape on these guys and after Barkley there’s a lot of guys I’d take off my board.

Derrius Guice seems to be the consensus #2 back. Looked good in shorts at the combine, he’s young like Bell was at only 20, stats looked decent. Then I watch him vs Alabama, Florida and Auburn and he looks like hot garbage. Look at his game log and he piles up yards vs ****. Watched the BYU game (55th vs run) and he never once got touched before he’s 2 yards past the LOS. Usually he was 5-6 yards. A better back would have had 200+ yards. He’s not a day one or two pick IMO.

Ron Jones II would probably be the consensus #3 back in the draft. IMO he’s the only other first round consideration. I think day two is more likely but there’s a HUGE difference between him and Barkley but there’s even a bigger gap between him and my #3 back. He has elite speed, good vision, understands pass pro, and though has limited film catching seems to be a natural hand catcher.

My #3 back might be a surprise but it’s Sony Michel. Elite speed, loose hips, good burst, and again can pass protect. But IMO he’s a third round pick in my book.

Looking at Barkley he’s so much better than any running back I’ve seen since Adrian Peterson. Iowa used a 2 LB 1 safety set which was ineffective because Barkley was so much better than Joey Jewell and 41 & 27. Ohio State used Baker, Fuller, and Jones or Booker to track #26. A better offense coordinator would have had Gesicki eat them alive over the middle with play action. But watching tape Barkley for most the season occupied 3 defenders. Three. He regularly played vs top 40 run defenses and stole their lunch money. He even saved PSU in their Bowl vs #1 run defense Washington going for 137 on 18 carries and 2 scores and added 7 receptions for 38 more. He wasn’t supposed to play a lot because he was going pro and Franklin didn’t want to risk injuring him. But he has a passion for football and a desire to win and help his teammates.

At this point I’d honestly trade Bell, our first round pick for #1 and their #65. I’d do it every time and wouldn’t hesitate.



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Some mocks on nfl.com have Sony going in the 1st. One to us. Over Evans. Another has us taking Guice over Evans.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/mock-drafts/Peter-Schrager/365601

This one has us taking an Edge that nfl.com has ranked 3-4th rounder. Evans not drafted in the 1st. Unless i missed it.
 
Some mocks on nfl.com have Sony going in the 1st. One to us. Over Evans. Another has us taking Guice over Evans.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/mock-drafts/Peter-Schrager/365601

This one has us taking an Edge that nfl.com has ranked 3-4th rounder. Evans not drafted in the 1st. Unless i missed it.

Personally, I don’t have Evans as a first round talent either. I think he’s solid and has starting potential but he’s not a super star. High floor but low ceiling. He’s a solid 3rd or 4th round pick. I don’t see that sub 4.7 speed that’s coveted for the ILB position. Here’s my ILB ranking but don’t have write ups yet.

Tremaine Edmunds VT top 12
Roquan Smith Georgia top 15
Leighton Vander Esch 1st round
Malik Jefferson 2nd round (big drop after Jefferson)

Round 3 considerations
Rashaan Evans
Tegray Scales
Jerome Baker
Genard Avery
Josey Jewell

Guys I feel are sleepers according to their predicted draft round.
Andre Smith UNC
Jack Cichy Wisconsin
Shaun Dion Hamilton Alabama (better football player than Evans just doesn’t have the length of Evans... similar speed though but Hamilton reacts faster)
Shaquem Griffin Central Florida (yes, if he had both hands he’s a round 1-2 pick)



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Personally, I don’t have Evans as a first round talent either. I think he’s solid and has starting potential but he’s not a super star. High floor but low ceiling. He’s a solid 3rd or 4th round pick. I don’t see that sub 4.7 speed that’s coveted for the ILB position. Here’s my ILB ranking but don’t have write ups yet.

Tremaine Edmunds VT top 12
Roquan Smith Georgia top 15
Leighton Vander Esch 1st round
Malik Jefferson 2nd round (big drop after Jefferson)

Round 3 considerations
Rashaan Evans
Tegray Scales
Jerome Baker
Genard Avery
Josey Jewell

Guys I feel are sleepers according to their predicted draft round.
Andre Smith UNC
Jack Cichy Wisconsin
Shaun Dion Hamilton Alabama (better football player than Evans just doesn’t have the length of Evans... similar speed though but Hamilton reacts faster)
Shaquem Griffin Central Florida (yes, if he had both hands he’s a round 1-2 pick)



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I see Evans as more of a 2nd round type. And picking late is like picking high 2.

Evans isn't my first want, but if Payne and other desirable selections are off the board, probably the safe pick.
 
I see Evans as more of a 2nd round type. And picking late is like picking high 2.

Evans isn't my first want, but if Payne and other desirable selections are off the board, probably the safe pick.

I think a lot rides on Evans 40. On tape he is not an elite athlete and doesn’t have great speed. If he runs a 4.55 I’m gonna look at a few more games.

It’s like RJ2 with USC. Runs a 4.65 (laid up said hammy was tight or pulled) but on tape I see him running away from guys with 4.5 or better speed. I’m not concerned about his football speed. But if he can’t go at his pro day or runs slow it only helps us as he probably falls in the draft. Maybe we can snag him round 2. Evans right now HAS to run 4.6x otherwise he’s a round 3 guy. If he runs 4.8+ he might fall to us in round 5.

I’m predicting he runs 4.7x.


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I'd be happy with Rashaad Penny in the 2nd or 3rd.
 
Just looked Evans skipped his 40 again. Looking at the workouts he did do he’s 3rd from the bottom on vertical jump, 4th from the bottom broad jump, middle pack 3-cone, and 4th from the bottom 20 yard shuttle. At this point he’s Jarvis Jones 2.0. I don’t want him unless he’s there round 5 or later.


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I'd be happy with Rashaad Penny in the 2nd or 3rd.

I like Penny as well. My only real concern is Pass Pro. Connor sucked at that last year got his playing time squashed. RJ2 isn’t the greatest but he’s willing. He will step up and at least slow the guy up for a couple seconds.

But if we went S and ILB round 1 & 2 I would be happy with Penny in the 3rd.


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I think a lot rides on Evans 40. On tape he is not an elite athlete and doesn’t have great speed. If he runs a 4.55 I’m gonna look at a few more games.

It’s like RJ2 with USC. Runs a 4.65 (laid up said hammy was tight or pulled) but on tape I see him running away from guys with 4.5 or better speed. I’m not concerned about his football speed. But if he can’t go at his pro day or runs slow it only helps us as he probably falls in the draft. Maybe we can snag him round 2. Evans right now HAS to run 4.6x otherwise he’s a round 3 guy. If he runs 4.8+ he might fall to us in round 5.

I’m predicting he runs 4.7x.


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All I know is he had an injury that slowed him early (groin). And as you watch his season progression he slowly gets better and better. So I like his effort level as it wasn't yoyo-ing. He fits well against the run IMO. Which really what is needed at ILBer, a true run stuffer. Because you couldn't put opponents in 3rd and long with a leaky run defense.

I think he is very capable of running a 4.55. We'll see.
 
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