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The Coronavirus thread

And you won’t ever answer the question why states like ND, SD, and TN lead the nation in all time (14 MONTHS) case rates. Nor will you provide a logical explanation as to why masks and restrictions don’t work. You act as if mask wearing as a preventative measure was invented during Covid, or as if Covid isn’t contagious.

Who are these states with draconian lockdowns? Michigan? Their cases are in steep decline, who says their restrictions aren’t working? A handful of states are seeing an increase in cases, including Wyoming. What gives there?

I have provided you, over and over and over and over and over and over and over again why masks don't work, and it is logical. The micron size of COVID is measured in nanometers. The gap between threads in masks is measured in micrometers. The difference between a nanometer and a micrometer is a factor of a thousand. The COVID virus is so tiny it easily passes through the fabric of these masks.

I've posted thee studies. Medical scientists concur about the size of the virus AND the size of the threads in a mask.

Quite literally, the mask is like a chain link fence and the virus is the size of a mosquito.

If you bother to pay attention to every article written and look at the sizes, and see how the articles are written, they state that the masks stop the droplets. The stuff the human eye can see. And they tell you "see, they work, they stop the droplets." They DO NOT STOP THE AEROSOLS, which is how COVID goes airborne. They literally do nothing to stop aerosols.

How much more logical can you be?

Regarding the states....I'll say it again and again. IF the masks worked, the masks would...work. You'd see the states with mask mandates faring far better than those without.

Again from your beloved New York Times, here is the past 14 days, the states leading the nation in the most cases per 100K. Those in red? No mask mandates. Those in white....have mask mandates and still dominate the race for the most COVID cases. The top 19 states in cases per 100K, 16 of them have mask mandates.

Boy the masks are really making a difference huh?

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Stupid is insisting masks don’t work and then posting articles where QUALIFIED medical professionals refer to their effectiveness.

Will people start wearing masks during cold and flu season in crowded NYC subways? Perhaps, might not be a bad idea especially if they’re not vaccinated. Will they wear them to the grocery store in July? I doubt it. Do I not care in the least if they do? Absolutely! But you keep obsessing and researching and being outraged. It’s healthy behavior.
so, you state:

YES, the left is pushing to get rid of masks! It’s called... VACCINATION!

then flop to:

Stupid is insisting masks don’t work and then posting articles where QUALIFIED medical professionals refer to their effectiveness.

to sum, you state that people do not have to wear a mask once vaccinated, but they still have to wear masks.

are you so self-unaware that you simply cannot see the circular argument you fight for?
 
Will people start wearing masks during cold and flu season in crowded NYC subways? Perhaps, might not be a bad idea especially if they’re not vaccinated. Will they wear them to the grocery store in July? I doubt it. Do I not care in the least if they do? Absolutely! But you keep obsessing and researching and being outraged. It’s healthy behavior.

Will they wear masks to Key West after tear-dropping posts on the internet for people to mask up indefinitely?
 
Did some surf fishing at Cape Henlopen State Park yesterday...

On the way riding through Lewes and the park to get to the beach vehicle entrance..
Actually seen people on the bike trails wearing masks ...
I really felt like yelling out my window..."you don't need to wear a mask while riding a bike!"..

But then again....although a beautiful place to be....Lewes and Rehoboth Beach Delaware are very liberal areas and home to your President's beach compound...
 
Lewes and Rehoboth Beach Delaware are very liberal areas and home to your President's beach compound...

Wait, I thought Beijing Joe, the Basement Boy, was a government employee his entire life. And he has a "beach compound"? So three possibilities:
  • We pay government employees way too much.
  • The guy is dirty and awash in dirty money.
  • All of the above.
No worries. The press is all over these questions.
 
Man news like this is gonna start pissing off people like Hypoflog. Just wait....we're gonna hear how the Indian variant (racist) is coming, how we need to still keep masking, how the 12th wave is on its way.

WTF are uber-libs like him gonna do when he can't wear his mask any longer?

Oh....wait...like Liberal leaders, he's a hypocrite and traveling during COVID anyway. He just wants the rest of us to keep following the rules.


COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations in the United States are declining, a sign that the vaccination campaign is succeeding and the spring surge has ended.

In the past two weeks, new COVID-19 cases in the U.S. have dropped from a seven-day average of 78,449 to 51,465, a decline of 34%. New hospitalizations have also fallen 34%, from 3,165 to 2,083.
 
Hey Flogged.....remember our discussion about how totalitarian governments' followers like to wear symbols? Like the armbands? Remember you laughing at the notion that the "mask" is the symbol the Left likes to wear? You may disagree. Countless see it as just that. Just as I said. They wear it to symbolize allegiance to their party.

God I hate being right all the damned time.


DCist's latest "overhead of the week" was of two women walking down the street in DC shortly after the release of the new CDC guidelines. The women, in their twenties, debated the merits of the guidelines—not on health grounds, but on what people might think if they were to see their unmasked faces.

"I guess I'm vaccinated so I don't have to wear a mask outside but … I really don't want people to think I'm a Republican," a woman was overheard to say.

We've given the mask a significance that it hasn't earned, and that goes far beyond its usefulness.



Despite new CDC guidance that says the vaccinated can spend time outdoors unmasked, she was worried that her uncovered face would indicate that she subscribes to a political agenda that she does not. And she's not the only one who views the face mask as a simple of allegiance to an ideology, and wears it in part to signal that allegiance.

A woman I met recently told me the same thing, that though she's been fully vaccinated, she still wears a mask in public so that people don't think she's a Trump supporter. We spoke about the social pressure that she felt to wear a mask, that she didn't want people to look at her and make the wrong assumptions about her politics.

We've been told by government to follow the science, but instead, people are simply following the social guidance, bowing to pressure. How many others feel the same way?

The president sure does. Instead of speaking about the science of wearing masks, he said recently that masking is "a patriotic duty." The president has been vaccinated for months, those around him, too, have been fully vaccinated. But for him, mask-wearing has less to do with science, and more to do with letting people know that he's behaving properly and thinks the right things.

MSNBC's Joy Reid is fully vaccinated as well, but she has proclaimed that she wears two masks. "I am among the fully vaccinated, joined team Pfizer. I did go jogging today in the park. This was the mask that I wore with a doctor's mask under it," said Reid, showing off her face mask. She was happy to report that "most of the people that I saw that were in the park, the park was packed. I would say like 95 percent of the people still had masks on."

A June study from the Pew Research Center showed that 63 percent of Democrats and those who lean left believed that people would wear face masks in public at all times, while only 29 percent of Republicans and right-leaning people did.

An NBC Wall Street Journal poll from the same time period, found that "a person's mask-wearing habits could indicate how they'll vote in the 2020 presidential race." If you were masked, you were more likely to vote for Biden, while the unmasked were more likely to vote for Trump.

Those who don't mask have been equated with Trump supporters and conservatives. Trump supporters and conservatives have been defined by mainstream media simply as bad people, deplorables, racists, and so many other unpleasant things.............

So should you follow the science, and dispense with masks according to CDC guidance, or should you follow the herd, and wear masks so that you appear to be aligned with a specific political ideology? The choice might be up to you.
 
After you read my prior post there ☝️☝️☝️

Now read this. Tibslodtye21 gonna be all in....OPENING SCHOOLS THIS FALL IS TOO DANGEROUS...

WTF Beijing Joe. Who's running his show?

Which schools are not open?
My wife works for our local school system and my oldest daughter is an educator in Texas, and both of them have been back to work for some time now, although not at 100% but fairly close with remote classes for the others...

Is it the inner city school systems that are still not open at all?
 
I have provided you, over and over and over and over and over and over and over again why masks don't work, and it is logical. The micron size of COVID is measured in nanometers. The gap between threads in masks is measured in micrometers. The difference between a nanometer and a micrometer is a factor of a thousand. The COVID virus is so tiny it easily passes through the fabric of these masks.

I've posted thee studies. Medical scientists concur about the size of the virus AND the size of the threads in a mask.

Quite literally, the mask is like a chain link fence and the virus is the size of a mosquito.

If you bother to pay attention to every article written and look at the sizes, and see how the articles are written, they state that the masks stop the droplets. The stuff the human eye can see. And they tell you "see, they work, they stop the droplets." They DO NOT STOP THE AEROSOLS, which is how COVID goes airborne. They literally do nothing to stop aerosols.

How much more logical can you be?

Regarding the states....I'll say it again and again. IF the masks worked, the masks would...work. You'd see the states with mask mandates faring far better than those without.

Again from your beloved New York Times, here is the past 14 days, the states leading the nation in the most cases per 100K. Those in red? No mask mandates. Those in white....have mask mandates and still dominate the race for the most COVID cases. The top 19 states in cases per 100K, 16 of them have mask mandates.

Boy the masks are really making a difference huh?

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The amount of exposure matters. Masks reduce spread of aerosols and the amount of exposure. The entire world isn’t wrong.

You said the evidence OVER 14 MONTHS, Tim. Why do rural states like ND, SD, TN, UT, IA, NE etc. have the highest rates over the entire pandemic?
 
so, you state:



then flop to:



to sum, you state that people do not have to wear a mask once vaccinated, but they still have to wear masks.

are you so self-unaware that you simply cannot see the circular argument you fight for?
It’s not a flip-flop. Only around 40% of people are fully vaccinated. When more people are vaccinated and cases drop to hundreds instead of tens of thousands, masks will go away. It’s not that hard to understand.
 
For folks who think the mask that most folks are wearing is effective at keeping them safe, I'd like to see how they are feeling after working in a virology lab for just a few minutes.

I noticed that most at the KY Derby gave up on their masks last weekend. Must have appalled quite a few.
 
It’s not a flip-flop. Only around 40% of people are fully vaccinated. When more people are vaccinated and cases drop to hundreds instead of tens of thousands, masks will go away. It’s not that hard to understand.
cases drop to the hundreds? are you serious, Clark?
we can't get the flu - the common ******* flu - in the "hundreds", yet you suggest we can do that for the Rona. Heart disease cannot be pulled down to the "hundreds", neither can Alzheimer's, Diabetes, and a wide range of other, older diseases.

But, Flogomanbun be say "wE cAn GeT tHiS uNdEr tHoUsAnDs If YoU wEaR a MaSk"

Either you're willfully ignorant, a complete and total tard, a combinaton of those or are truly trolling.
 


Plastic grocery bags are also very effective at least for a few minutes and it promotes the sustainable practice of reusing. I recommend them for anyone who complains about those do not wear a mask outside and minding their own business away from others.
 
The amount of exposure matters. Masks reduce spread of aerosols and the amount of exposure. The entire world isn’t wrong.

You said the evidence OVER 14 MONTHS, Tim. Why do rural states like ND, SD, TN, UT, IA, NE etc. have the highest rates over the entire pandemic?

You are once again lying. TSF has repeatedly posted data from the CDC and other sites, completely disproving that claim.

So why don't you publish a research paper - you know, science - showing that a cloth mask lowers the spread of the Chinese flu?

Finally, I called you out two months ago for your utter and complete failure to criticize China for releasing the ******* thing and then lying about it. You, 21, Tibs still silent. Not a word. Good little lapdogs. Maybe President Xiden will give you a pat on the head.
 
The amount of exposure matters. Masks reduce spread of aerosols and the amount of exposure. The entire world isn’t wrong.

You said the evidence OVER 14 MONTHS, Tim. Why do rural states like ND, SD, TN, UT, IA, NE etc. have the highest rates over the entire pandemic?

Provide any evidence that masks reduce the spread of aerosols by any significant amount. I've provided you COUNTLESS scientific studies that show masks do nothing to a scant amount to limit the spread of aerosols. You simply continue to dismiss the science.

Yes I said the evidence over 14 months shows masking doesn't work. As mask mandates have come and gone, we have seen the effects. I continue to compare the CURRENT situation because where we are now is what matters. To do a 14 month, total cases analysis makes zero sense because many of these states ONCE had masking requirements that have since been lifted.

You weren't aware that North Dakota had a mask mandate last year, that has since been lifted. Since, their cases have dropped.

South Dakota never had a mask mandate. Take a look at the comparisons of the two states....near identical spikes, and almost an identical drop in cases...AT THE SAME TIME. One state mandated masks, the other did not. Both experienced the SAME result in a drop in cases, except the state WITHOUT masks dropped 26.8% the state WITH masks decreased 14.6%. Hmmm.

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You weren't aware Tennessee had a mask mandate that was lifted by Memorial Day.
You weren't aware Utah had a mask mandate for 5 months.
You weren't aware that Iowa had a mask mandate lifted in February this year. What happened when they dropped the mask mandate?

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You weren't aware that last year, 2 dozen cities in Nebraska required masks through mandates. They've since been lifted.

To do a 14 month compare on masking v non masking is near impossible, given the 14 states that have no mask mandate now once did. So the only way to do a compare is look at each state, when the mandate began v when it ended and look at cases.

Or as I have accurately done, keep showing you from the NYTimes the 14 day recent trends. And for the past 2 months, those states WITHOUT mask mandates are faring better than those with.

Data....try it.
 
It’s not a flip-flop. Only around 40% of people are fully vaccinated. When more people are vaccinated and cases drop to hundreds instead of tens of thousands, masks will go away. It’s not that hard to understand.

As I keep saying the mask, like the article I posted above, is now a religious symbol to the Left. To you. You don't want it to ever go away. You're like the people in that article who want to keep wearing it so symbolize what political ideology they represent.

No different than an armband.
 
cases drop to the hundreds? are you serious, Clark?
we can't get the flu - the common ******* flu - in the "hundreds", yet you suggest we can do that for the Rona. Heart disease cannot be pulled down to the "hundreds", neither can Alzheimer's, Diabetes, and a wide range of other, older diseases.

But, Flogomanbun be say "wE cAn GeT tHiS uNdEr tHoUsAnDs If YoU wEaR a MaSk"

Either you're willfully ignorant, a complete and total tard, a combinaton of those or are truly trolling.
Heart disease, Alzheimer’s and Diabetes AREN’T CONTAGIOUS, idiot.

There were as few as 18,000 Covid cases/day in June - PRE VACCINE! Are you saying we will never get below that? Go on record.
 

population - 332,622,037
Total Cases - 33,181, 941
New Cases - 1,500+
Total Deaths - 591,071
Heart disease, Alzheimer’s and Diabetes AREN’T CONTAGIOUS, idiot.

There were as few as 18,000 Covid cases/day in June - PRE VACCINE! Are you saying we will never get below that? Go on record.
uh, please point to where i said those were contagious. just one instance.
since they're not contagious, wouldn't you say those would be easier to eradicate?

i pointed to the data I'm using. You refuse to share what you're looking at.
18,000 cases per day? where? is this in some county? maybe a city? a state? a country? the globe?

see, you cannot make such outlandish claims without stating the constant of the assessment. before you pound out your emotions on the keyboard again, there were 45k cases per day as of May 1.

per worldometers, you can see that this is taking a downward turn. move your mouse over the bars to see the numbers. even someone as stupendously ignorant as you should be able to see the number of cases spiraling down.

 
Provide any evidence that masks reduce the spread of aerosols by any significant amount. I've provided you COUNTLESS scientific studies that show masks do nothing to a scant amount to limit the spread of aerosols. You simply continue to dismiss the science.

Yes I said the evidence over 14 months shows masking doesn't work. As mask mandates have come and gone, we have seen the effects. I continue to compare the CURRENT situation because where we are now is what matters. To do a 14 month, total cases analysis makes zero sense because many of these states ONCE had masking requirements that have since been lifted.

You weren't aware that North Dakota had a mask mandate last year, that has since been lifted. Since, their cases have dropped.

South Dakota never had a mask mandate. Take a look at the comparisons of the two states....near identical spikes, and almost an identical drop in cases...AT THE SAME TIME. One state mandated masks, the other did not. Both experienced the SAME result in a drop in cases, except the state WITHOUT masks dropped 26.8% the state WITH masks decreased 14.6%. Hmmm.

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You weren't aware Tennessee had a mask mandate that was lifted by Memorial Day.
You weren't aware Utah had a mask mandate for 5 months.
You weren't aware that Iowa had a mask mandate lifted in February this year. What happened when they dropped the mask mandate?

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You weren't aware that last year, 2 dozen cities in Nebraska required masks through mandates. They've since been lifted.

To do a 14 month compare on masking v non masking is near impossible, given the 14 states that have no mask mandate now once did. So the only way to do a compare is look at each state, when the mandate began v when it ended and look at cases.

Or as I have accurately done, keep showing you from the NYTimes the 14 day recent trends. And for the past 2 months, those states WITHOUT mask mandates are faring better than those with.

Data....try it.
Again, what are rural states doing leading the country in all time rates? Why did the states with intermittent mask mandates implement them? Why did they end them?

You promote Texas but their cases are relatively flat when the rest of the country is down 27%.
 
The only thing masks do is keep people from going out and living their lives thus preventing the mom and pop businesses that are dependent on them for their livelihood from getting back in the game.

Big business can shrug it off much easier and are behind the push for continuing the masking and screaming about the states that lifted their mandates.

Online business like Amazon hopes this continues ad infinitum.

Wear a mask and kill local business, create government dependency. Guess who loves that scenario?
 

population - 332,622,037
Total Cases - 33,181, 941
New Cases - 1,500+
Total Deaths - 591,071

uh, please point to where i said those were contagious. just one instance.
since they're not contagious, wouldn't you say those would be easier to eradicate?

i pointed to the data I'm using. You refuse to share what you're looking at.
18,000 cases per day? where? is this in some county? maybe a city? a state? a country? the globe?

see, you cannot make such outlandish claims without stating the constant of the assessment. before you pound out your emotions on the keyboard again, there were 45k cases per day as of May 1.

per worldometers, you can see that this is taking a downward turn. move your mouse over the bars to see the numbers. even someone as stupendously ignorant as you should be able to see the number of cases spiraling down.

Uh, yeah! Once their is a vaccine, contagious diseases are easier to eradicate. Has their been a 27% decline in heart disease over the past two weeks?

I see the downward turn. It is you, the anti-vaxer, claiming we will never get cases down into the hundreds.

The US had as little as 18,000 daily Covid cases last June. There are currently a lot more than 1,500 new cases, more like 50,000.
 
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