QB Kyle Trask @ # 24 to Steelers-Orlofsky's BOLD PREDICTION
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Who'd the Steelers send to scout Trask when Florida had its pro day?
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Imma be pissed if that happens. PISSED I tell you!
Trask wasn't even a starter in High School. D'eriq King beat him out for the starting spot. Who?? He is the QB for Miami and formally with Houston.
Trask has nice touch and pocket awareness but his mechanics are poor, lacks arm strength, and doesn't process the field well IMO. There is a reason why QB's are so successful at Florida and become absolute busts in the NFL. They're simply NOT developed to play in the league. They're not coached to fix mechanics, read defensive schemes, call protections, or move players to leverage numbers. The plays are designed to read 1 position and they're given 2 options.
Out of all of their QBs, Heisman Trophies, National Championship finals appearances, Rex ******* Grossman is the only one to have a decent career in the NFL. And that right there is just plain sad.
Pissed!
Trask wasn't even a starter in High School. D'eriq King beat him out for the starting spot. Who?? He is the QB for Miami and formally with Houston.
Trask has nice touch and pocket awareness but his mechanics are poor, lacks arm strength, and doesn't process the field well IMO. There is a reason why QB's are so successful at Florida and become absolute busts in the NFL. They're simply NOT developed to play in the league. They're not coached to fix mechanics, read defensive schemes, call protections, or move players to leverage numbers. The plays are designed to read 1 position and they're given 2 options.
Out of all of their QBs, Heisman Trophies, National Championship finals appearances, Rex ******* Grossman is the only one to have a decent career in the NFL. And that right there is just plain sad.
Pissed!
I'd rather draft a Center at 24 than a QB.
Id rather trade down if he is tge target... hey if you feel he is franchise... and he has some of those markers, you grab him... its way better value than a rb in round 1
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If they do that I'll just say I probably won't watch a damn game all year (cause my tv will be broke from the brick thrown through it)... in the first?!?!?!
Let's race up there and waste our best pick...BRILLIANT...I'm sure this is just clickbait and the op doesn't actually see this scenario unfolding
We have actual needs above the fifth best QB in the room with our first pick.
Let's race up there and waste our best pick...BRILLIANT...I'm sure this is just clickbait and the op doesn't actually see this scenario unfolding
We have actual needs above the fifth best QB in the room with our first pick.
If I remember correctly he mentioned the Steelers talking to him.
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Trask is a 3rd round pick at best from what little I’ve read.
Jackasses doing mock drafts change them 4-5 times and charge you for the “service” , try to predict trades as if they know Jack ****, just get there so we’ll all ***** about the pick anyway
Jackasses doing mock drafts change them 4-5 times and charge you for the “service” , try to predict trades as if they know Jack ****, just get there so we’ll all ***** about the pick anyway
Most years he is a late first rounder... in some qb shallow ones he could be a fairly high pick... his knock is he isn’t a running qb at all... i just don’t think anyone is going to grab him before the second because there are at least 5 guys with higher grades from the scouting services coming out...
I honestly would rather waste a pick on a gamble at QB than get a RB there... you don’t win with first round rbs .... over the last 15 to 20 years, how many super bowl winning teams were led by a starting first rounder? Lynch?James? Id bet there were more udfas than first rounders in that group....
The smart pick is Tackle or Center... build the line or blow the draft....
I honestly would rather waste a pick on a gamble at QB than get a RB there... you don’t win with first round rbs .... over the last 15 to 20 years, how many super bowl winning teams were led by a starting first rounder? Lynch?James? Id bet there were more udfas than first rounders in that group....
The smart pick is Tackle or Center... build the line or blow the draft....
Not remotely relevant. Remember when some guy named Ben did not play QB in high school because the coach's son?
How'd that work out?
His arm strength is good. Is it Favre or Roethlisberg caliber? No. If it were, why the @#$% would he be there at pick 24?
This theory that certain colleges don't produce QB's because of scheme seems to come and go. Ohio State does not produce QB's either. I mean, Haskins, Troy Smith and Terrelle Pryor? So I presume Justin Fields will blow goats in the NFL cuz system.
And remember how Alabama's RB's were overrated cuz blocking or something? Damien Harris, Kenyon Blake, Trent Richardson. Yeah that made a ton of sense until the last three.
Why are you including the Spurrier guys? Dan Mullen has been there THREE years. His system is completely different than the one run by Spurrier or Urban Meyer. Mullen's OC for Trask was Brian Johnson, hired by the Eagles to be a QB coach. You know, hired by the NFL.
Johnson's system ran a lot of 1-1, 3 WR. Like another team I know. He had three very good receivers to work with but a bad OL and terrible running game. Huh. Sounds familiar. Trask improved his delivery in 2020 and had more zip on his throws, particularly those in the 11-20 yard range. One example:
Here is an out to the left. Trask tends to let his left foot drift to the left on such throws, causing him to "open up" (like pitchers who have their lead shoulders leave the delivery path too soon), but that is completely fixable. Even with that defect, he delivers a strike here:
So his footwork improved 2019-2020, his velocity increased, his delivery improved, and he had some very good performances against SEC defenses. He is a big, durable, accurate pocket passer who played well despite a poor offensive line and zero running game.
I'm far from being a Florida fan. Hate the ******* Gators.
But, while what you said is true of PREVIOUS Gator QBs, that's not the case with Trask.
you cannot compare his development under Mullen to the development of QBs under Spurrier and Meyer. Both had different systems than what Mullen does. Further, you want to discount Trask because he was behind a dude in high school, but made significant leaps and bounds to become a better QB at the college level than the other guy.
Trask is a gamer. I'd much rather have him than Rudolph. or Haskins. But I'd be really reluctant to spend a high pick on him.
**** me. agreeing with a drunken lawyer.
You getting writing tips form President Plagiarist?
Another throw from the "weak-armed" Trask. 35 yards in the air, does not get more than 15' off the ground at any point:
You getting writing tips form President Plagiarist?
Another throw from the "weak-armed" Trask. 35 yards in the air, does not get more than 15' off the ground at any point:
the knock on him, for some absurd reason, is that he uses too much touch too often...
Literally if this was 20 years ago people would be salivating over a pure pocket passer with good touch and anticipation.... now they want lamar Jackson part 2.... lol
Yep. Trask is not very mobile. Got it. And you know, if you look at the last 22 Super Bowl winners, none of them had pocket passers.
Except the Steelers, NE, Tampa, Baltimore, Denver, Indianopolis, NY Giants, New Orleans. That's just 19 out of the last 22. The other three are Green Bay and Rodgers, Philadelphia and Wentz, and KC and Mahomes. Huh. Those guys are mobile, but very good pocket passers as well. So that is basically 22 of the last 22.
But I mean that pales in comparison to the awesomeness and SB victories of Lamar Jackson, Michael Vick, Kordell Stewart, Cam Newton, etc. Much rather have that elusive, mobile running QB and all those fantasy titles than some cement-footed pocket passers and, well, actual Super Bowl trophies.
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Wentz...lol
No way Trask falls lower than two. I see him as low 1 to no lower than the 15th pick in 2.
If he somehow gets ignored in 1 and makes it to the Steelers 2 slim chance but then that should be a podium sprint.
If he somehow gets ignored in 1 and makes it to the Steelers 2 slim chance but then that should be a podium sprint.
You can take Wentz off of your list and put Nick Foles in there with the pocket passers. Wentz didn't play in the Super Bowl. So that helps your argument.
However, I'd venture to say that a big part of Roethlisberger's early success was due to his mobility and ability to make big plays outside of the pocket. It certainly didn't hurt.
Point taken. But as to Ben ...
Would anybody consider Ben a "mobile" QB like teams now apparently obsess over? Sure, he was pretty nimble for a big guy, but other than that pretty awesome 30-yard TD run against the Clowns, where he barely made the end zone, can you think of another actual "run" in his career? The QB sweep in SB XL does not count - it went for a yard. His greater skill was being so big and powerful that he simply withstood the pass rush and delivered the ball. That had basically nothing to do with mobility.
And is a skill I wager Trask has his first 5-7 years in the league.
Ben was never considered a "dual-threat" quarterback, but I disagree -- his biggest asset, I thought, was his ability to improvise when the protection broke down, and he could accurately complete passes all over the field on the run after escaping the rush. That had everything to do with mobility.
You are defining "mobility" in a manner differently than most. The hype about Lawrence, Lance and Fields is not their ability to move around behind the LOS to buy time to deliver the ball, as much as it is their actual running ability. Trask is pretty good at moving around in the pocket. I have seen dozens of throws he made against some decent SEC pass rushes where he maneuvered left or right to buy time, or stepped up as he delivered the ball.
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picking Trask at 24 would be like inadvertently running out of the back of the endzone
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I don't have the time to pick apart your argument, but I'd love to sit down and have a beer and go through it. lol. You make some valid points about the systems being different, I'll give you that. But I don't see the improvement year on year and he's definitely not NFL ready. He'll need to go to the right team and right system to even have a shot. You can't pick out a few good plays where he makes a few good throws and say "SEE...LOOK AT THAT ZIP!" Nah, I've watched enough of his game to see that he doesn't make the pre-snap reads, doesn't take what the defense gives him and wants the home run ball, often throwing into double coverage. The talent he had on the field bailed his *** out which seems to have always been the Florida way. Eh, I'm going on record to say the kid isn't worth anything than a 5th round pick to be a serviceable backup. His high side is Mike Tomcsak.Not remotely relevant. Remember when some guy named Ben did not play QB in high school because the coach's son?
How'd that work out?
His arm strength is good. Is it Favre or Roethlisberg caliber? No. If it were, why the @#$% would he be there at pick 24?
This theory that certain colleges don't produce QB's because of scheme seems to come and go. Ohio State does not produce QB's either. I mean, Haskins, Troy Smith and Terrelle Pryor? So I presume Justin Fields will blow goats in the NFL cuz system.
And remember how Alabama's RB's were overrated cuz blocking or something? Damien Harris, Kenyon Blake, Trent Richardson. Yeah that made a ton of sense until the last three.
Why are you including the Spurrier guys? Dan Mullen has been there THREE years. His system is completely different than the one run by Spurrier or Urban Meyer. Mullen's OC for Trask was Brian Johnson, hired by the Eagles to be a QB coach. You know, hired by the NFL.
Johnson's system ran a lot of 1-1, 3 WR. Like another team I know. He had three very good receivers to work with but a bad OL and terrible running game. Huh. Sounds familiar. Trask improved his delivery in 2020 and had more zip on his throws, particularly those in the 11-20 yard range. One example:
Here is an out to the left. Trask tends to let his left foot drift to the left on such throws, causing him to "open up" (like pitchers who have their lead shoulders leave the delivery path too soon), but that is completely fixable. Even with that defect, he delivers a strike here:
So his footwork improved 2019-2020, his velocity increased, his delivery improved, and he had some very good performances against SEC defenses. He is a big, durable, accurate pocket passer who played well despite a poor offensive line and zero running game.