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The Coronavirus thread

what you said is fine, but that's not what the OP said. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3266817001

He was talking about surgical masks being clogged? If any filter becomes clogged it let's nothing through it won't magically open up and let everything through. I have never seen mold or mildew in any mask just from breathing, but obviously cloth masks should be washed frequently. The guy posting that is dangerous because he is claiming to be an expert when in reality he took like a 10hr and 30hr training if what he says is even true.

If that's all you got is the clogged thing, I am still confused 'cause I clog my respirator all the time working on the boat. I realize that fiberglass dust and germs are quite different but wearing a sweat filled mask for prolonged periods would seem to have to clog eventually ....no ?

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You forget you said everyone was going to commit suicide due to the shut down.

That's hilarious Trog.

I know a woman who had well-controlled bipolar and is having basically a psychotic break from all of this. Her husband tried to get her committed but since she does not admit to being suicidal or homicidal they won't do that. Had no choice but to have her removed from the house to protect their three children. They are hoping eventually she will give in and check herself into a hospital, but they fear she might commit suicide instead.

Hard dee har har.
 
That's hilarious Trog.

I know a woman who had well-controlled bipolar and is having basically a psychotic break from all of this. Her husband tried to get her committed but since she does not admit to being suicidal or homicidal they won't do that. Had no choice but to have her removed from the house to protect their three children. They are hoping eventually she will give in and check herself into a hospital, but they fear she might commit suicide instead.

Hard dee har har.

Chances are pretty high that she was ****** in the head before the Kung Flu.
 
If that's all you got is the clogged thing, I am still confused 'cause I clog my respirator all the time working on the boat. I realize that fiberglass dust and germs are quite different but wearing a sweat filled mask for prolonged periods would seem to have to clog eventually ....no ?

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Like shooting fish in a barrel.
 
If that's all you got is the clogged thing, I am still confused 'cause I clog my respirator all the time working on the boat. I realize that fiberglass dust and germs are quite different but wearing a sweat filled mask for prolonged periods would seem to have to clog eventually ....no ?

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That is not all if you bothered to read the article. The whole chain link reference is also bogus. No matter what you have over your mouth its going to not project as far. Of course the virus is self is small, but it is bonded to larger particles which dont travel as far. As far as clogging a surgical mask is designed to protect the patient. If your mask is clogged what happens? If your breathe out it cant do through the front of the mask because its "clogged" surgical masks are not fitted so the air would just escape out the sides as normal. If an N95 is truly clogged you would not be able to breathe. Again answer the simple question...

Would you rather......
A) Have someone cough in your face when you both had no masks
B) Have someone cough in your face and you both had face protection

Its not really a hard choice....
 
That is not all if you bothered to read the article. The whole chain link reference is also bogus. No matter what you have over your mouth its going to not project as far. Of course the virus is self is small, but it is bonded to larger particles which dont travel as far. As far as clogging a surgical mask is designed to protect the patient. If your mask is clogged what happens? If your breathe out it cant do through the front of the mask because its "clogged" surgical masks are not fitted so the air would just escape out the sides as normal. If an N95 is truly clogged you would not be able to breathe. Again answer the simple question...

Would you rather......
A) Have someone cough in your face when you both had no masks
B) Have someone cough in your face and you both had face protection

Its not really a hard choice....

but how many people on a daily basis cough in your face? if its more than 1, you may need to practice some social distancing ... and that's before we even get around to discussing the Rona.
 
but how many people on a daily basis cough in your face? if its more than 1, you may need to practice some social distancing ... and that's before we even get around to discussing the Rona.

You can say the same thing if someone coughs near you or around you. If your in a meeting, store, or whatever sometimes people will cough and fail to cover their mouths. I would rather have that happen if we had masks on.
 
You can say the same thing if someone coughs near you or around you. If your in a meeting, store, or whatever sometimes people will cough and fail to cover their mouths. I would rather have that happen if we had masks on.

Got a mask/head scarf type thing for the gym when they bust balls. You know the ones, long sleeve type thing that normally has a cool design on it. I’d say nylon crap has about a 10% filtration rate to it. That would be for misty large droplets, small/droplet nuclei flying through that *****.

Cloth. I’d give cloth masks, pending on material and or thickness, ....maybe in the 20s to 30s. Again same thing. It’s not stopping sm droplet. Medical masks, now we are talking. But yeah, still they are maybe maybe in the 50-60s. I’d say that a stretch but a guess. Again, the level of protection that this provides from small droplet is minimal.

Now to supe point. How many people have you been around expelling droplets via cough and sneezing? What proximity where you to said people?

Now sure. If I’m out and people are coughing in my Face I would like a face shield and an N95. But yeah it’s not happening. People are finally taking accountability and if sick staying home. But Iron, asymptotic folks can shed it, potentially but are they expelling anything?
 
Chances are pretty high that she was ****** in the head before the Kung Flu.

She definitely was. The shutdown is exacerbating a lot of mental health issues is my point. Some people might dismiss that as irrelevant. It really isn't.
 
That is not all if you bothered to read the article. The whole chain link reference is also bogus. No matter what you have over your mouth its going to not project as far. Of course the virus is self is small, but it is bonded to larger particles which dont travel as far. As far as clogging a surgical mask is designed to protect the patient. If your mask is clogged what happens? If your breathe out it cant do through the front of the mask because its "clogged" surgical masks are not fitted so the air would just escape out the sides as normal. If an N95 is truly clogged you would not be able to breathe. Again answer the simple question...

Would you rather......
A) Have someone cough in your face when you both had no masks
B) Have someone cough in your face and you both had face protection

Its not really a hard choice....


If that's how you fell then why will you ever leave your house ever again without a mask?
 
She definitely was. The shutdown is exacerbating a lot of mental health issues is my point. Some people might dismiss that as irrelevant. It really isn't.
This hits the folks with less resources worst.

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You forget you said everyone was going to commit suicide due to the shut down.

You must truly keep your head in the sand. Did you see the CDC Directors comments on reopening schools? "We are seeing an increase in suicides among high school students."

Just wait Flogged.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/.../are-we-facing-post-covid-19-suicide-epidemic

While pandemic-related suicides have already been reported in many of the hardest-hit countries, these deaths have been largely overshadowed by the high rate of fatalities linked to COVID-19....While similar cases are also being reported internationally, the risk of a pandemic-related risk in suicides remains a particular concern for the United States, since it has the largest number of COVID-19 deaths in the world. According to Centers for Disease Control and Prevention statistics, suicide is already the 10th-leading cause of death in the U.S., with a 35 percent rise in the suicide rate from 1999 to 2018. But a new article recently published in the Journal of the American Medical Association suggests that we may be at the beginning of something far worse.

Titled "Suicide Mortality and Coronavirus Disease 2019: A Perfect Storm?" the article suggests that the unprecedented public health actions needed to contain the new pandemic, along with social distancing requirements, stay-at-home orders, and stress due to job loss, may well result in far more suicides in the years to come. Written by a team of mental health professionals led by Mark Regger of the University of Washington, the article outlines many of the economic, psychosocial, and health-associated risk factors that can be expected to increase suicide risk.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/04/mental-health-coronavirus/

Three months into the coronavirus pandemic, the country is on the verge of another health crisis, with daily doses of death, isolation and fear generating widespread psychological trauma.

Federal agencies and experts warn that a historic wave of mental-health problems is approaching: depression, substance abuse, post-traumatic stress disorder and suicide.

Just as the initial outbreak of the novel coronavirus caught hospitals unprepared, the United States’ mental-health system — vastly underfunded, fragmented and difficult to access before the pandemic — is even less prepared to handle this coming surge.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...is-likely-to-lead-to-an-increase-in-suicides/

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/...de-rates-among-millennials-are-rising/612943/
The Millennial Mental-Health Crisis
Suicides and overdoses among young adults were already skyrocketing before the pandemic started. Now experts fear that the situation is going to get even worse.

https://academic.oup.com/qjmed/article/doi/10.1093/qjmed/hcaa202/5857612

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19s-impact-include-20-firearm-suicides-day/story?id=71635386
COVID-19's impact could include 20 more firearm suicides per day this year, analysis shows

https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-19-coronavirus-rates-during-pandemic-death-by/6201962/
Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-deaths-suicides-drugs-alcohol-pandemic-75000/
Coronavirus pandemic may lead to 75,000 "deaths of despair" from suicide, drug and alcohol abuse, study says

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtNLFnri9ik

https://abc30.com/coronavirus-suicide-covid-pandemic-fresno-county/6315879/
Fresno County sees spike in suicides during COVID-19 pandemic
Data shows Fresno County saw 17 suicides in June alone - that's the most for a single month in nearly three years.

https://www.sierrasun.com/news/heal...s-toll-on-mental-health-suicide-rate-doubles/
COVID-19 takes toll on mental health; Suicide rate doubles

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/s...covid-19-pandemic-according-to-health-experts
Suicides, overdoses are up amid COVID-19 pandemic, according to health experts

https://fee.org/articles/a-years-wo...nintended-consequences-of-covid-19-lockdowns/
‘A Year's Worth of Suicide Attempts in Four Weeks’: The Unintended Consequences of COVID-19 Lockdowns

An ABC affiliate in California reports that doctors at John Muir Medical Center tell them they have seen more deaths by suicide than COVID-19 during the quarantine.

“The numbers are unprecedented,” said Dr. Michael deBoisblanc, referring to the spike in suicides.

"We've never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time," deBoisblanc added. "I mean we've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks."

Should I go on Flog? We've already posted for months how suicide hotlines are also overwhelmed. Do you WANT to keep insisting this isn't an issue or real?
 
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That is not all if you bothered to read the article. The whole chain link reference is also bogus. No matter what you have over your mouth its going to not project as far. Of course the virus is self is small, but it is bonded to larger particles which dont travel as far. As far as clogging a surgical mask is designed to protect the patient. If your mask is clogged what happens? If your breathe out it cant do through the front of the mask because its "clogged" surgical masks are not fitted so the air would just escape out the sides as normal. If an N95 is truly clogged you would not be able to breathe. Again answer the simple question...

Would you rather......
A) Have someone cough in your face when you both had no masks
B) Have someone cough in your face and you both had face protection

Its not really a hard choice....

How about:

C) Don't ******* cough in my face, cough into the crook of your elbow.?
 
If that's all you got is the clogged thing, I am still confused 'cause I clog my respirator all the time working on the boat. I realize that fiberglass dust and germs are quite different but wearing a sweat filled mask for prolonged periods would seem to have to clog eventually ....no ?

106299462_10158429709339361_2429634712524468669_n.jpg

Anyone else thinking just slap a hypocycloid on one side of this thing and hit the blades of grass?
Just wondering...
 
You must truly keep your head in the sand. Did you see the CDC Directors comments on reopening schools? "We are seeing an increase in suicides among high school students."

Just wait Flogged.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/.../are-we-facing-post-covid-19-suicide-epidemic



https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/04/mental-health-coronavirus/



https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...is-likely-to-lead-to-an-increase-in-suicides/

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/...de-rates-among-millennials-are-rising/612943/
The Millennial Mental-Health Crisis
Suicides and overdoses among young adults were already skyrocketing before the pandemic started. Now experts fear that the situation is going to get even worse.

https://academic.oup.com/qjmed/article/doi/10.1093/qjmed/hcaa202/5857612

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19s-impact-include-20-firearm-suicides-day/story?id=71635386
COVID-19's impact could include 20 more firearm suicides per day this year, analysis shows

https://abc7news.com/suicide-covid-19-coronavirus-rates-during-pandemic-death-by/6201962/
Suicides on the rise amid stay-at-home order, Bay Area medical professionals say

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-deaths-suicides-drugs-alcohol-pandemic-75000/
Coronavirus pandemic may lead to 75,000 "deaths of despair" from suicide, drug and alcohol abuse, study says

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtNLFnri9ik

https://abc30.com/coronavirus-suicide-covid-pandemic-fresno-county/6315879/
Fresno County sees spike in suicides during COVID-19 pandemic
Data shows Fresno County saw 17 suicides in June alone - that's the most for a single month in nearly three years.

https://www.sierrasun.com/news/heal...s-toll-on-mental-health-suicide-rate-doubles/
COVID-19 takes toll on mental health; Suicide rate doubles

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/s...covid-19-pandemic-according-to-health-experts
Suicides, overdoses are up amid COVID-19 pandemic, according to health experts

https://fee.org/articles/a-years-wo...nintended-consequences-of-covid-19-lockdowns/
‘A Year's Worth of Suicide Attempts in Four Weeks’: The Unintended Consequences of COVID-19 Lockdowns


Should I go on Flog? We've already posted for months how suicide hotlines are also overwhelmed. Do you WANT to keep insisting this isn't an issue or real?

So Tibs and I supposedly say everyone is going to die because 200,000 or so are going to die. You say everyone is going to commit suicide because “17 is the most in a single month in three years” or some such ****. Strong point!
 
This whole thing is so way out of control. The "Pandemic" that only effects a very small percentage of the population, mostly older physically susceptible people and kills less people than an average Chicago gang banger now has sheeple cowering behind pieces of cloth that have a very little chance of defending against anything other than flying boogers. Has people cowering inside basements causing millions to lose their businesses and livelihoods and is shutting down sports, education and thankfully entertainment.

I question what would have been the difference if we had done nothing different than we normally would do during any flu season....other than saving the treasury a couple three trillion bucks, that is. The point might be made ( and some have ) that we would have been way better off right now. But alas. it's an election year and we can't be doin' no **** like dat., lest we be givin' in to dem nasty capitalists.

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So Tibs and I supposedly say everyone is going to die because 200,000 or so are going to die. You say everyone is going to commit suicide because “17 is the most in a single month in three years” or some such ****. Strong point!

This is where your dumb *** always goes off the rails. Argument fail.

I never said "everyone" is going to commit suicide. Never said anything other than "the cure is worse than the virus" and we could see more deaths as a result of suicides than the virus itself, that we WILL see more long term deaths as a fallout of the lockdown (suicides, heart attacks, deaths from malnutrition, lack of healthcare, poverty) than we will see from COVID.

I banged that drum hard and still do.

You can ignore the stats and news all you want. From the CDC director saying more school age kids are killing themselves to areas saying they are having a years worth of suicide attempts in 4 weeks, to national suicide hotlines being utterly overwhelmed...I'm right. And this is the beginning. This is going to stretch out over many years, as more and more slip into economic woe. It will take a decade to calculate the fall out.

I don't want to be right on this. But history shows this nasty cycle repeats itself.

Next, inane, stupid attempt at an argument Flogged?
 
This is where your dumb *** always goes off the rails. Argument fail.

I never said "everyone" is going to commit suicide. Never said anything other than "the cure is worse than the virus" and we could see more deaths as a result of suicides than the virus itself, that we WILL see more long term deaths as a fallout of the lockdown (suicides, heart attacks, deaths from malnutrition, lack of healthcare, poverty) than we will see from COVID.

I banged that drum hard and still do.

You can ignore the stats and news all you want. From the CDC director saying more school age kids are killing themselves to areas saying they are having a years worth of suicide attempts in 4 weeks, to national suicide hotlines being utterly overwhelmed...I'm right. And this is the beginning. This is going to stretch out over many years, as more and more slip into economic woe. It will take a decade to calculate the fall out.

I don't want to be right on this. But history shows this nasty cycle repeats itself.

Next, inane, stupid attempt at an argument Flogged?

Covid-1984 is a military grade psychological operations attack against the citizens of the United States and our way of life. The US is the Dien Bien Phu last bastion of freedom in the world. Much like in a POW setting, people have been isolated and segregated to suffer alone in a society that already had artificial and virtual anonymity and a dearth of human connection.

The CDC is running PSA's on #AloneTogether which in itself is an Orwellian psychological torture slogan.

(Translated: You're alone. We're all alone. There's nothing one person can do. But we're all in this defeat together if we just follow the guidance of the authorities and don't leave our homes)

Psyop attacks are of course designed to break down the will of the victim and population in order to impose -- through the process of war -- the new order and paradigm. The attack is designed to instill fear, suffering, and isolation to the point that the public will accept "terms" of surrender in order for life to return to some semblance of "normal" IE mandatory vaccines, social and economic controls, biometric ID and RFID tagging for contact tracing, and greater and subsuming state/collectivist control. The argument already is that your rights end where even the remote possibility of Covid-1984 transmission begin.
 
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She definitely was. The shutdown is exacerbating a lot of mental health issues is my point. Some people might dismiss that as irrelevant. It really isn't.

Some people have chemical imbalances that they can't control, so medication helps their brain either slow down or speed up the neurotransmitter activity. Bipolar disorder is a somewhat common and big one apparently. I feel bad for this woman and many like her if she can't get the medication/help she needs, but doesn't she continue to get that OFTB? Or is she just completely spooked?

Was watching a Joe Rogan podcast the other night and he said a lot of his friends that are normally pretty well-adjusted people are just drinking to serious excess because of all this ****. Many can compartmentalize and just let this stuff roll off their shoulder while others are way more sensitive to the external stimuli and it's like their bodies are in fight or flight mode a lot of the time.

Our military men/women know all about this (as well as those other people in uniform who protect us) and I know there are millions of people around the world who have it a lot more difficult than Americans do, but many Americans are also a very spoiled bunch. I'm sure first reactions are to say "suck it up" or "toughen up", but it seems like a lot of people are really having trouble doing that just going by the new statistics on domestic abuse, alcohol and drug abuse, suicides and assaults & homicides.

Sad state of affairs.
 
I never said "everyone" is going to commit suicide. Never said anything other than "the cure is worse than the virus" and we could see more deaths as a result of suicides than the virus itself, that we WILL see more long term deaths as a fallout of the lockdown (suicides, heart attacks, deaths from malnutrition, lack of healthcare, poverty) than we will see from COVID.

AND Tibs and I never said everyone was going to die from Covid.

You fail to accept the realities of the alternative and believe life and the economy would simply have gone as usual had we let it go unmitigated. That’s nonsense. Businesses have closed and imposed their own restrictions beyond the government mandates. They would have been far greater if we had let chaos ensue.
 
Covid-1984 is a military grade psychological operations attack against the citizens of the United States and our way of life. The US is the Dien Bien Phu last bastion of freedom in the world. Much like in a POW setting, people have been isolated and segregated to suffer alone in a society that already had artificial and virtual anonymity and a dearth of human connection.

The CDC is running PSA's on #AloneTogether which in itself is an Orwellian psychological torture slogan.

(Translated: You're alone. We're all alone. There's nothing one person can do. But we're all in this defeat together if we just follow the guidance of the authorities and don't leave our homes)

Psyop attacks are of course designed to break down the will of the victim and population in order to impose -- through the process of war -- the new order and paradigm. The attack is designed to instill fear, suffering, and isolation to the point that the public will accept "terms" of surrender in order for life to return to some semblance of "normal" IE mandatory vaccines, social and economic controls, biometric ID and RFID tagging for contact tracing, and greater and subsuming state/collectivist control. The argument already is that your rights end where even the remote possibility of Covid-1984 transmission begin.

It was really special and heartwarming when they splattered the TV airwaves with unicorn and rainbow commercials insisting that "We're all in this together!"
 
It was really special and heartwarming when they splattered the TV airwaves with unicorn and rainbow commercials insisting that "We're all in this together!"

Basically, "we're all going down together even though you are alone."
 
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