The Coronavirus thread

[Steelworth]

I said they were the original anti-facists, our heroes who stormed the beaches of Normandy. Which they were. And I'll proudly support American anti-fascists until the day I die.

Tim had a typical hissy-fit, which has lasted the better part of what, 3-4 years, saying I equated the WWII heroes with Antifa, the fringe, extremist group I don't support. Everyone needs a bogeyman, for many on the board, I guess I'm it. Oh well, such is life.

You think you're thought of as the Bogeyman? The Bogeyman who doesn't answer direct questions or goes into hiding for weeks/months at a time? No, you're simply the resident troll and most TDS afflicted. You've even admitted you're a troll yourself.

 

[Troglodyte]

We're testing more than any country on the planet, by a LONG shot. With more tests comes more positives.

When the percent increase in cases is quadruple the percent increase in testing, it’s not the testing. When hospitalizations and deaths increase, it’s not testing.

Germany (population 80 million) is seeing about as many new cases per day as Florida (population 20 million) is seeing deaths. Epic failure.

 

[Tibs]

When the percent increase in cases is quadruple the percent increase in testing, it’s not the testing. When hospitalizations and deaths increase, it’s not testing.

Germany (population 80 million) is seeing about as many new cases per day as Florida (population 20 million) is seeing deaths. Epic failure.

Yeah, it seems to have gone over the heads of our esteemed friends, that the huge spike in cases since June is not simply due to the fact we're testing more. It's an indication the virus is spreading unabated, likely due to lax mitigation measures, a refusal or unwillingness for the public at large to wear masks, socially distance, etc. Go figure.

 

[Superman]

When the percent increase in cases is quadruple the percent increase in testing, it’s not the testing. When hospitalizations and deaths increase, i total casest’s not testing.

Germany (population 80 million) is seeing about as many new cases per day as Florida (population 20 million) is seeing deaths. Epic failure.

just when i thought 21 was the dumbest ****** here, having reached the basement of stupidity, here comes Flog with they/it/her/them pink pickaxe.

Germany
203,487 total cases
9,173 deaths
83,798,849 population
6,884,614 total tests

Florida
369,834 total cases
5,207 deaths
21,993,000 population
3,103,674 total tests

for the slow ones in the back, digging to new depths of stupid, that means that Florida has MORE cases, but half as many deaths per case. Germany has tested twice as many as Florida, but also has nearly twice as many deaths.

quadruple does not equate to double, in any sense of the definition.

Germany has .0295567768941004 cases per total test
Florida has .1191600664245021 cases per total test

STFU, Flog.

 

[Superman]

Yeah, it seems to have gone over the heads of our esteemed friends, that the huge spike in cases since June is not simply due to the fact we're testing more. It's an indication the virus is spreading unabated, likely due to lax mitigation measures, a refusal or unwillingness for the public at large to wear masks, socially distance, etc. Go figure.

seems to have gone over your head the number of riots and protests in this country that IS helping cause this spike.

 

[Troglodyte]

just when i thought 21 was the dumbest ****** here, having reached the basement of stupidity, here comes Flog with they/it/her/them pink pickaxe.

Germany
203,487 total cases
9,173 deaths
83,798,849 population
6,884,614 total tests

Florida
369,834 total cases
5,207 deaths
21,993,000 population
3,103,674 total tests

for the slow ones in the back, digging to new depths of stupid, that means that Florida has MORE cases, but half as many deaths per case. Germany has tested twice as many as Florida, but also has nearly twice as many deaths.

quadruple does not equate to double, in any sense of the definition.

Germany has .0295567768941004 cases per total test
Florida has .1191600664245021 cases per total test

STFU, Flog.

OK, you don’t get ratios do you?

Stupid is pointing out Germany having only twice as many deaths when they have four times the population.
Stupid is pointing out that Germany’s positivity rate is one quarter that of Florida’s.
Stupid is celebrating Florida having more cases at one quarter the population of Germany.

 

[Tibs]

for the slow ones in the back

Why More Testing Doesn't Explain the Rise in COVID-19 in Several New U.S. Hotspots
https://time.com/5854572/covid-19-testing-florida-texas-arizona/

More testing does, in fact, turn up more cases. However, if widespread testing was the entire reason for the rise in cases, you’d expect the share of positive tests to go down, or, at the very least, remain steady. Instead, that figure is rising in a number of states. Nowhere is this more apparent than in Arizona, Texas and Florida, where you can see a clear uptick in the percentage of tests that come back positive, even as the total number of tests grows:

“I think it’s a true increase in the number of cases. It’s not just attributable to testing. If it was just due to the testing, we wouldn’t see the rates that we see. And the rates are indicative of the relaxation,” says Murray Côté, an associate professor of health policy and management at Texas A&M. Côté says that their models he’s seen suggest the pandemic is unlikely to slow down until late in the summer—unless more Texans alter their behavior to curb the virus’ spread.

No, more testing doesn’t explain the rise of covid-19 cases in the U.S.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/06/22/no-more-testing-doesnt-explain-rise-covid-19-cases-us/

In some states, positivity rates are rising even as testing expands — a very bad sign.

Disconcertingly, in the past two weeks, more than 10 states have reported increases in both new cases and positivity rates. These trends are most pronounced in Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, North Carolina and Texas. These states are all doing more testing than in previous weeks, but if the infection rate were holding steady, we’d expect the positivity rate to at least stay level.

That states are finding more cases relative to the amount of tests they are conducting provides the strongest rebuttal to the administration’s assertion that case numbers are rising because we’re getting better at finding cases through increased testing. They tell us the opposite — that each of these states needs to do even more testing to find infections — followed by more rigorous contact tracing and isolation. And if states are failing to control their case numbers, they should reopen more slowly and be sure that people are adhering to social-distancing recommendations.

 

[Superman]

OK, you don’t get ratios do you?

Stupid is pointing out Germany having only twice as many deaths when they have four times the population.
Stupid is pointing out that Germany’s positivity rate is one quarter that of Florida’s.
Stupid is celebrating Florida having more cases at one quarter the population of Germany.

because ~~ clap clap ~~ not everyone ~~ clap clap ~~ in either ~~ clap clap ~~ Germany ~~ clap clap ~~ or ~~ Florida ~~ clap clap ~~ has been ~~ clap clap ~~ tested

so you cannot - simply cannot say that x-place has a better percentage if they've got more cases per total test, but have not ran as many tests.

you really are this stupid, arent you?

 

[Troglodyte]

DeSantis rips the media a new *******!

This is exactly the way I wish Trump would lay the wood instead of sounding like an inarticulate juvenile.

Exactly two months ago today. Stuporman liked this!

 

[Tibs]

seems to have gone over your head the number of riots and protests in this country that IS helping cause this spike.

Come again?

Nationwide Protests Haven't Caused a COVID-19 Spike (So Far.) Here's What We Can Learn From That
https://time.com/5861633/protests-coronavirus/

But public health officials have spotted at least one bright spot amid all the discouraging data: the nationwide Black Lives Matter protests, which began after George Floyd’s death at the hands of Minneapolis police in May, so far do not seem to have been dreaded “superspreader” events, as some feared they might. Several cities that saw major protests, including New York, Chicago, and Philadelphia, have not experienced a new surge in cases in the days and weeks following. And in cities and states that specifically set out to test protestors, like Massachusetts, Seattle, and Minnesota, the results have shown that demonstrators were not considerably more likely to test positive compared to the general population.

Research Determines Protests Did Not Cause Spike In Coronavirus Cases
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommyb...ause-spike-in-coronavirus-cases/#1070621c7dac

Protests against systemic racism held in 300-plus U.S. cities following the death of George Floyd did not cause a significant increase in coronavirus infections, according to a team of economists who have published their findings in a 60-page paper released by the National Bureau of Economic Research; these somewhat surprising results are supported by Covid-19 testing data in many populous cities where demonstrations were held.

KEY FACTS

In the immediate aftermath of Floyd’s death, health officials expressed great concern that protesters, potentially yelling and shouting in very close proximity, would quickly spread the virus, which might lead to devastating outbreaks.

However, researchers found “no evidence that urban protests reignited Covid-19 case growth during the more than three weeks following protest onset.”

In fact, they determined that, based on cellphone data, “cities which had protests saw an increase in social distancing behavior for the overall population relative to cities that did not,” leading to “modest evidence of a small longer-run case growth decline.”

The study’s lead author, Dhaval Dave of Bentley University, said, “In many cities, the protests actually seemed to lead to a net increase in social distancing, as more people who did not protest decided to stay off the streets.”

Parties — Not Protests — Are Causing Spikes In Coronavirus
https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...-tell-about-cluster-spread-of-the-coronavirus

As the U.S. begins to open back up, coronavirus clusters — where multiple people contract COVID-19 at the same event or location — are popping up all over the country. And despite drawing massive crowds, protests against police violence and racial injustice in Washington state weren't among those clusters.

"We did have a rally in Bellingham, which is our county seat, and there was also a protest, and we have not been able to connect a single case to that rally or to the protest, and what we're finding is in large part that's due to the use of masks," Erika Lautenbach, the director of the Whatcom County Health Department in Washington State, tells NPR's All Things Considered. "Almost everyone at the rally was wearing a mask, and it's really a testament to how effective masks are in preventing the spread of this disease."

For the clusters that have popped up, Lautenbach says the state has been using contact tracing to learn more about how they're contributing to the spread of the virus. For instance, it found that 14 cases were associated with a party of 100 to 150 people in early June. Subsequently, 15 more cases were associated with the original 14.

But protests just aren't spreading the disease in the same way, Lautenbach says.

"We're finding that the social events and gatherings, these parties where people aren't wearing masks, are our primary source of infection," Lautenbach says. "And then the secondary source of infection is workplace settings. There were 31 related employers just associated with that one party because of the number of people that brought that to their workplace. So for us, for a community our size, that's a pretty massive spread."

And much of that spread, Lautenbach says, is affecting young people.

"We have seen almost a near flip in the cases that we're experiencing," Lautenbach says. "So in April of this year, we were really struggling with long-term-care outbreaks. And so about 3 out of 4 people were over the age of 30 and really pretty heavily skewed to 60-plus. And by contrast, in June, we're seeing that now 2 out of 3 people that have contracted this disease are under 29."

 

[Troglodyte]

because ~~ clap clap ~~ not everyone ~~ clap clap ~~ in either ~~ clap clap ~~ Germany ~~ clap clap ~~ or ~~ Florida ~~ clap clap ~~ has been ~~ clap clap ~~ tested

so you cannot - simply cannot say that x-place has a better percentage if they've got more cases per total test, but have not ran as many tests.

you really are this stupid, arent you?

You really don’t get that Germany successfully mitigated the virus and moved on, don’t you? On July 12th, Germany had 159 new cases, Florida 15,300.

 

[Superman]

Come again?

Nationwide Protests Haven't Caused a COVID-19 Spike (So Far.) Here's What We Can Learn From That
https://time.com/5861633/protests-coronavirus/



Research Determines Protests Did Not Cause Spike In Coronavirus Cases
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommyb...ause-spike-in-coronavirus-cases/#1070621c7dac



Parties — Not Protests — Are Causing Spikes In Coronavirus
https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...-tell-about-cluster-spread-of-the-coronavirus

stupidest ******* thing ever posted on this board, and you've posted a lot of them.
so you're telling me that a virus can differentiate between a party and a protest/riot? you're honestly sitting there all happy and smiling at your monitor, sipping some Earl Grey as you've found something that confirms your bias?

it's ******* stupid. yes, the ******* at the protests and riots ARE wearing masks. but not because of the rona. to conceal their identity as they pull down statues, deface property, burn and loot. or do these pictures tell YOU something different?

yeah, but they have masks!!!
right, they're not wearing them correctly.

I see masks.
and I see people not wearing them or not wearing them correctly.

again, I see masks.
and again, I see people not wearing them correctly, if at all

one mask for three peaceful protestors. doesnt work that way.

wow. ONE pic where they're compliant in properly masking.
zero social distancing. fail.

yes, parties are bad for keeping the rona at bay. but do NOT act like protests and riots are sterile.

 

[IndySteel]

Dude in pic 4 is copping a quick feel. Way to stay on your game.

 

[Superman]

You really don’t get that Germany successfully mitigated the virus and moved on, don’t you? On July 12th, Germany had 159 new cases, Florida 15,300.

wow - so you're saying Germany has 100% eradicated the virus? that's some sweet ****, there, Flog.
holy ****, you've stumbled on to something there.

nice back pedal on your initial presumption:

When the percent increase in cases is quadruple the percent increase in testing, it’s not the testing. When hospitalizations and deaths increase, i total casest’s not testing.

Germany (population 80 million) is seeing about as many new cases per day as Florida (population 20 million) is seeing deaths. Epic failure.

oh, wait. you're still wrong. even when you move the goal posts.

 

[Tibs]

so you're telling me that a virus can differentiate between a party and a protest/riot?

Why is it that you come huffing and puffing so hard and tough, getting so bent out of shape thread after thread? It seems to be a common trait amongst the Trump base. I wonder why that is?

Anyway, yeah, there's a different reality when it comes to covid spread, depending on if you're inside or outside, wearing masks or not, using hand sanitizer or not.

Those are the main points that may be different between the street protests we've seen, and some of the workplace & bar/party scenes where the virus has evidently been spreading out of control.

 

[Superman]

Why is it that you come huffing and puffing so hard and tough, getting so bent out of shape thread after thread? It seems to be a common trait amongst the Trump base. I wonder why that is?

Anyway, yeah, there's a different reality when it comes to covid spread, depending on if you're inside or outside, wearing masks or not, using hand sanitizer or not.

Those are the main points that may be different between the street protests we've seen, and some of the workplace & bar/party scenes where the virus has evidently been spreading out of control.

why do i come at you like this? because you ignorantly spread misinformation, which is damaging.
YOU said that protests are perfectly fine and that the rona is spreading via bars and parties. I don't dispute the parties. I do dispute the bars. I strongly dispute - with photographic evidence, mind you - that protests and riots are perfectly safe for not contracting the rona.

 

[Tibs]

why do i come at you like this? because you ignorantly spread misinformation, which is damaging.
YOU said that protests are perfectly fine and that the rona is spreading via bars and parties. I don't dispute the parties. I do dispute the bars. I strongly dispute - with photographic evidence, mind you - that protests and riots are perfectly safe for not contracting the rona.

What a strange attitude to have. I didn't claim anything, I cited scientific research data published by the Health Department in Washington state, as well as 60-page research paper released by the National Bureau of Economic Research. Which you can read here > https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf

So who should I listen to, when it comes to possible covid spread at protests? Scientists and economists who've published their research, or Superman, random wailing dude on the internet? Hmmm, tough choice.

 

[Superman]

What a strange attitude to have. I didn't claim anything, I cited scientific research data published by the Health Department in Washington state, as well as 60-page reaserch paper released by the National Bureau of Economic Research. Which you can read here > https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf

So who should I listen to, when it comes to possible covid spread at protests? Scientists and economists who've published their research, or Superman, random wailing dude on the internet? Hmmm, tough choice.

I'm using common sense. which is in short supply in the states and apparently the rest of the world.
i don't need to read a 60-page report to tell me that based on the LOCATION of people congregating that a virus can or cannot spread. Seems that it will spread regardless of where people meet up at if they are not actively participating in the prevention of spreading it.

 

[Steelworth]

Exactly two months ago today. Stuporman liked this!

You're giddy over this ****, aren't you?

******* scumbag.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

When the percent increase in cases is quadruple the percent increase in testing, it’s not the testing. When hospitalizations and deaths increase, it’s not testing.

Germany (population 80 million) is seeing about as many new cases per day as Florida (population 20 million) is seeing deaths. Epic failure.

Ok Flogged. You DO earn your nickname.

 

[Steelworth]

Death, taxes & ICU hospitalizations, that's about the only true metric we can count on these days.

(That's obviously hyperbole, there are some objective sources still out there -- but the ones screaming the loudest & the most overshadow these people)

 

[Supersteeler]

We learned months ago from the media that any leftist related cause DOES NOT spread the virus. Only Conservative gatherings spread it. The fact that leftist mobs are initiating frequent physical contact with people, not to mention spitting on people = No germ spread and labeled peaceful by the media. Conservatives standing near each other and holding up signs while not physically contacting anyone = virulent germ spreading and labeled hateful by the media. .

This is obviously the truth because the media is totally reputable and honest.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

What a strange attitude to have. I didn't claim anything, I cited scientific research data published by the Health Department in Washington state, as well as 60-page research paper released by the National Bureau of Economic Research. Which you can read here > https://www.nber.org/papers/w27408.pdf

So who should I listen to, when it comes to possible covid spread at protests? Scientists and economists who've published their research, or Superman, random wailing dude on the internet? Hmmm, tough choice.

What an eloquent paper you offered up Tibs. As a part of my job, I am helping companies like mega US department stores and agri-businesses with return to work initiatives. One of the 7 use cases we are helping them deploy (including face mask detection, social distance monitoring, elevated temperature monitoring) is contact tracing. My company can provide contact tracing analyses, so IF there is an outbreak in a facility, they can trace all prior and subsequent contacts.

Your "scientific" paper, NO WHERE inside, mentions contact tracing. Zero references.

Can you explain to me, without contact tracing, how someone scientifically can claim that beach parties and house parties ARE spreading the virus, but MASSIVE outdoor protests that violate masks and social distancing guidelines does not?

I'll wait.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I'm using common sense. which is in short supply in the states and apparently the rest of the world.
i don't need to read a 60-page report to tell me that based on the LOCATION of people congregating that a virus can or cannot spread. Seems that it will spread regardless of where people meet up at if they are not actively participating in the prevention of spreading it.

Do you mean like nursing homes, where more than 40% of our COVID deaths have occurred?

 

[Steelworth]

Exactly two months ago today. Stuporman liked this!

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