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Hargraves Value at 14.7 Million Per Season

That is laughable. No way we can afford to even pay him $10 million. Too much money already tied up in Heyward and Tuitt and Hargraves just isn't that good. I said it many times during the year that Alualu looked as good or better when he came in the game and he is 33, I believe.
 
nope. maybe half that, but no.
 
Good guy, wrong fit for us. We need an actual NT and not a pass rusher in the middle. He was consistently pushed out of rushing lanes trying to get to the QB. The focus has to be on Dupree and we can go find us a fatty NT.
 
See ya, Gravedigger!
 
6 mill keep anthing more look at these 3 NT A'shawn Roobinson, Danny Shelton Justin Ellis Carl Davis Sheldon all can be signed to caop friendly deals all have a true NT body
 
That seems excessive.

That valuation I disagree with a lot. We'll see who is correct, but I don't think he gets half that.
 
Fun facts: With Hargrave, Artie Burns and Sean Davis leaving the entire Steelers 2016 draft class could be gone

Poofter
 
Here's a question. would the Safety Positions be better as it is now with Fitz and Edmunds. or Fitz and Davis.
 
bring davis back on a 1 yr deal to compete vs edmunds
 
Why does everyone keep saying we need a true NT? Tomlin will not use him as a true NT, he'll use him as a DE in the 2 Dlinemen set.
If used right I agree with a NT, but with the amount of time we go 2 Dlinemen, even on ******* goal line situations alot, a NT seems like a wasted roster spot

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Coryea said:
Why does everyone keep saying we need a true NT? Tomlin will not use him as a true NT, he'll use him as a DE in the 2 Dlinemen set.
If used right I agree with a NT, but with the amount of time we go 2 Dlinemen, even on ******* goal line situations alot, a NT seems like a wasted roster spot
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People have been saying it since Casey Hampton retired. We haven't tried to draft one or sign one and we certainly haven't used one.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
People have been saying it since Casey Hampton retired. We haven't tried to draft one or sign one and we certainly haven't used one.
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I agree with needing one, if we use them, but we do not use a true NT, we rarely use 3 Dlinenmen.

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Well some team will actually have to pay him that much coin, and there's no guarantee anybody will.

Wish him well, but he will likely walk.
 
Coryea said:
I agree with needing one, if we use them, but we do not use a true NT, we rarely use 3 Dlinenmen.

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Well with the rats being a huge running team, they need to rethink that stance and bring one in.
 
slashsteel said:
Well with the rats being a huge running team, they need to rethink that stance and bring one in.
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We knew that going into the game Sunday, and we were still trying to stop them with 2 Dlinemen.
IMO that's why the Ravens defense is so good year in year out, they use 3 and 4 Dlinemen alot, and they're all hard to move. They are never at a physical mis-match like we are. Ravens have Williams, Pierce, Peko, Ellis all 325 or heavier. They have one DE under 300

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Coryea said:
We knew that going into the game Sunday, and we were still trying to stop them with 2 Dlinemen.
IMO that's why the Ravens defense is so good year in year out, they use 3 and 4 Dlinemen alot, and they're all hard to move. They are never at a physical mis-match like we are. Ravens have Williams, Pierce, Peko, Ellis all 325 or heavier. They have one DE under 300

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Rats learned from impact of Ngata.
We learned 0 from Big Snack. Huge strategic error

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butler refused to use much 3 DL sets run 3-2-6 or 3-3-5
DE Watt
Dt heyward
DT Tuitt
LB Bush
LB Dupree
Rover Barron
S fitz
S Edmunds
same CB's
3-3-5
DE Tuitt
DT Tyson
DE Heward
OLB Dupee
MLB Bush
OLB Watt
Spy Barron
Hlton and same DB's

we need to use 3-4 man DL fronts at times with tuitt back start him at NT
 
deljzc said:
That seems excessive.

That valuation I disagree with a lot. We'll see who is correct, but I don't think he gets half that.
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His agent wrote the article under an assumed name. ��
 
Fans cling too much to 34 or 43 designation. We all talk about the evolution of the passing game in the NFL the last 20 years, but so many of us fans want to cling to 20+ year old defensive concepts. I loved Casey Hampton...first time I saw him live walking out for warmups, I grabbed my young son to make sure he didn't fall from the earth tremors. Dude was a beast. But the game has changed and the old space eater NT has gone the way of the FB. Speed, quicks, and athleticism are more prized than wrecking balls. Don't get me wrong...I love old school smash mouth offense and defense, but its gone.

and no, before someone calls out that wide tackle BS crap we tried to run this year as life without a big space eater NT...no, no it isn't. That was just a bad defensive idea.
 
I've actually hypothesized that the way to beat Baltimore and the Lamar Jackson offense is to go BACK to the very, old-school 3-4, 2-gap defense.

When you study how Jackson as the additional runner is throwing off how modern, fast, light defenses are playing gap run defense, the numbers don't add up and that is where Baltimore's run offense is just wrecking havoc on teams. There isn't the one extra box defender vs. the number of blockers/runners against you.

That's why 2-gap responsibility, while sacrificing penetration, might be the perfect way to stop Baltimore. A huge front-3 can defend (or at least get an arm on) runners inside the gap (TE-OT-G-C-G-OT) - that's 5 gaps there - and allows your linebackers to read blocking schemes (FB or pulling offensive linemen) and possibly change the numbers into the defenses favor again.

I think if Belichick and NE see Baltimore again, I guarantee Belichick reverts back to 3-4, 2-gap defense sometimes against Baltimore heavy lineups (with 8 or 9 offensive players in the "box").
 
deljzc said:
I've actually hypothesized that the way to beat Baltimore and the Lamar Jackson offense is to go BACK to the very, old-school 3-4, 2-gap defense.

When you study how Jackson as the additional runner is throwing off how modern, fast, light defenses are playing gap run defense, the numbers don't add up and that is where Baltimore's run offense is just wrecking havoc on teams. There isn't the one extra box defender vs. the number of blockers/runners against you.

That's why 2-gap responsibility, while sacrificing penetration, might be the perfect way to stop Baltimore. A huge front-3 can defend (or at least get an arm on) runners inside the gap (TE-OT-G-C-G-OT) - that's 5 gaps there - and allows your linebackers to read blocking schemes (FB or pulling offensive linemen) and possibly change the numbers into the defenses favor again.

I think if Belichick and NE see Baltimore again, I guarantee Belichick reverts back to 3-4, 2-gap defense sometimes against Baltimore heavy lineups (with 8 or 9 offensive players in the "box").
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Big slow DL who consume 2 blocker and play peek-a-boo at the line are not going to run down Jackson. Further, there is a reason defenses are evolving away from that style...because modern passing attacks and RPO's just eat it alive. You are certainly welcome to your belief int he old 3-4, but offenses changed in both strategy and rules. The modern NFL just isn't what it was and defenses are changing.
 
deljzc said:
I've actually hypothesized that the way to beat Baltimore and the Lamar Jackson offense is to go BACK to the very, old-school 3-4, 2-gap defense.

When you study how Jackson as the additional runner is throwing off how modern, fast, light defenses are playing gap run defense, the numbers don't add up and that is where Baltimore's run offense is just wrecking havoc on teams. There isn't the one extra box defender vs. the number of blockers/runners against you.

That's why 2-gap responsibility, while sacrificing penetration, might be the perfect way to stop Baltimore. A huge front-3 can defend (or at least get an arm on) runners inside the gap (TE-OT-G-C-G-OT) - that's 5 gaps there - and allows your linebackers to read blocking schemes (FB or pulling offensive linemen) and possibly change the numbers into the defenses favor again.

I think if Belichick and NE see Baltimore again, I guarantee Belichick reverts back to 3-4, 2-gap defense sometimes against Baltimore heavy lineups (with 8 or 9 offensive players in the "box").
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deljzc said:
I've actually hypothesized that the way to beat Baltimore and the Lamar Jackson offense is to go BACK to the very, old-school 3-4, 2-gap defense.

When you study how Jackson as the additional runner is throwing off how modern, fast, light defenses are playing gap run defense, the numbers don't add up and that is where Baltimore's run offense is just wrecking havoc on teams. There isn't the one extra box defender vs. the number of blockers/runners against you.

That's why 2-gap responsibility, while sacrificing penetration, might be the perfect way to stop Baltimore. A huge front-3 can defend (or at least get an arm on) runners inside the gap (TE-OT-G-C-G-OT) - that's 5 gaps there - and allows your linebackers to read blocking schemes (FB or pulling offensive linemen) and possibly change the numbers into the defenses favor again.

I think if Belichick and NE see Baltimore again, I guarantee Belichick reverts back to 3-4, 2-gap defense sometimes against Baltimore heavy lineups (with 8 or 9 offensive players in the "box").
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Not only did we "game plan " against the rats without a NT but also they kept sending Watt or Dupree to penetrate instead of do gap containment and several times you could see the space left to be gaping holes for the runner to get in carrying a piano if he wanted to. Wasn't it obvious? What are they thinking an doing during the week previous to a game

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