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What a season. Despite all the injuries and players underperforming I personally didn’t have very high expectations especially after Ben went down. But, here we are and don’t get any participation trophies. I personally don’t expect Tomlin is going anywhere and think Colbert will come back another year with Ben coming back next year to see what we can do. Below are the free agents for this year. Who would you keep or drop? In bold is who I would like being back.

Free Agents

Club Option
Vance McDonald

UFA
BJ Finney
Artie Burns
Ryan Shazier (Wish nothing but the best for his future)
Bud Durpree
Sean Davis
Javon Hargrave
Nick Vannett
Kameron Canaday


RFA
Matt Feiler
Mike Hilton
Tyler Matakevich
Jordan Dangerfield
Zach Banner
 
Looks about right, though if the price is right I'd like to see Hilton and Davis back as well.
 
Dupree is the only UFA I'm worried about. You don't let good pass rushers get away and there have been some quality late-developing edge defenders in recent years. The rest of them are replaceable, though I'd certainly keep Canaday. All of the RFAs are worth keeping.
 
What a season. Despite all the injuries and players underperforming I personally didn’t have very high expectations especially after Ben went down. But, here we are and don’t get any participation trophies. I personally don’t expect Tomlin is going anywhere and think Colbert will come back another year with Ben coming back next year to see what we can do. Below are the free agents for this year. Who would you keep or drop? In bold is who I would like being back.

Free Agents

Club Option
Vance McDonald

UFA
BJ Finney
Artie Burns
Ryan Shazier (Wish nothing but the best for his future)
Bud Durpree
Sean Davis
Javon Hargrave
Nick Vannett
Kameron Canaday


RFA
Matt Feiler
Mike Hilton
Tyler Matakevich
Jordan Dangerfield
Zach Banner

No way in hell are Dupree and Hargrave kept. Hargrave with walk and leave an even bigger hole in the middle to allow running yards. Bud will be franchised, I wouldn’t bring back Vannett or Vance. Both are terrible blockers and bad route runners.

This team is going to have a lot of holes on both sides of the ball.


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I could pass on the Vanimal. He did little this year. Maybe with Ben back he'll be more involved but I'm tired of stressing about our TE situation. With our offensive philosophy they are basically a sideshow anyhow. Hell, we can always find some dude to block and catch an occasional pass. I think we gotta try and keep Bud. Got a lot of time and $$ invested in him and he and Watt are great together. Don't see us being able to sign Hargrave - he'll likely be priced out of our range. Keep Finny, Banner and Feiler - our Oline has looked pretty mediocre this year and we may need to move on from some of the long time starters. I'd also keep Hilton. he's a decent cover slot corner and a good tackler. We have struggled in the secondary for years until this year and he's better than a lot of guys we have put out there.
 
Finney and Dupree is the ones we need to bring back. RFAs will be back. All the rest of the UFAs can be replaced in free agency if need be.

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No way in hell are Dupree and Hargrave kept. Hargrave with walk and leave an even bigger hole in the middle to allow running yards. Bud will be franchised, I wouldn’t bring back Vannett or Vance. Both are terrible blockers and bad route runners.

This team is going to have a lot of holes on both sides of the ball.


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Dupree will be back write it down and quote me.

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Dupree is the only UFA I'm worried about. You don't let good pass rushers get away and there have been some quality late-developing edge defenders in recent years. The rest of them are replaceable, though I'd certainly keep Canaday. All of the RFAs are worth keeping.

I think they'll franchise Dupree if necessary.

The price will be high, but if the Steelers want to get the most out of whatever time they have left with Ben, they need to keep Watt and Dupree together.
 
Buds coming back. If they can’t sign him they will franchise tag him. I hate to lose Hargrave though.


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Gotta get a wr or te that scares defenses, beats 1 on 1 coverage, and demands double teams.

I don't think Snell is a #1 back and Conner is too injury prone, they need to draft another RB

Add youth to oline

Get Ben healthy or none of it will matter since they won't can Fitchner until Ben retires
 
Gotta get a wr or te that scares defenses, beats 1 on 1 coverage, and demands double teams.

I don't think Snell is a #1 back and Conner is too injury prone, they need to draft another RB

Add youth to oline

Get Ben healthy or none of it will matter since they won't can Fitchner until Ben retires

YOu think there is any chance in hell they keep Randy but make him QB coach again and hire a new play caller?
 
YOu think there is any chance in hell they keep Randy but make him QB coach again and hire a new play caller?

I heard Ben hand picked Fitchner when Ben forced Haley out so no I think Fitchner stays as OC.

Unless this season's offensive **** show opened Ben's eyes to how bad Fitchner sucks and how Ben carries the offense, Fitchner is a Ben yes man which is what I think Ben wants but isn't what's best for Ben
 
I heard Ben hand picked Fitchner when Ben forced Haley out so no I think Fitchner stays as OC.

Unless this season's offensive **** show opened Ben's eyes to how bad Fitchner sucks and how Ben carries the offense, Fitchner is a Ben yes man which is what I think Ben wants but isn't what's best for Ben

I think our offense would have been a lot better this year if Haley was still the OC.
 
Hargrave is ok. He disappears occasionally and today, he got run the **** over. I think he is a better pass rusher than run-stopper and I wouldn't offer him a long term deal on par with highly ranked FAs.
 
Bud will get tagged, no way in hell the Steelers can compete with what some teams will throw at him. Even after they tag him (16 million) his agent will know what other teams are willing to give him so I think it'll be hard to get him long term.
Hargrave is good but we do not use 3 Dlinenmen enough for him to be extremely effective, he's not Cam or Tuitt who can still make plays when there's only 2 DLINEMEN in the game, although Baltimore ran all over our 2 Dlinemen defense today, without their starting QB or RB

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Hargrave is ok. He disappears occasionally and today, he got run the **** over. I think he is a better pass rusher than run-stopper and I wouldn't offer him a long term deal on par with highly ranked FAs.

We need a block of fat to just take up double teams and clog the middle to stop the run on early downs.
 
They need to think about cutting Tuit if they can save alot of money, he is the J. Connors of linemen, And also paying Chikilo almost $5 million is a mistake. Then use that money on Dupree.
 
They need to think about cutting Tuit if they can save alot of money, he is the J. Connors of linemen, And also paying Chikilo almost $5 million is a mistake. Then use that money on Dupree.
Cutting Tuitt probably won't save much if any, and some team will be willing to give Dupree 18+ I bet, we can't do that.

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The team's top 51 under contract players right now is counting $195 million on the salary cap books. This includes the option for Vance McDonald (I'll talk about him a bit later).

The salary cap is estimated to be $201 million, so we have only $6 million to play with as of right now.

The main losses, free agents or roster spots to fill with that $6 million are: Bud Dupree (OLB), BJ Finney (G), Artie Burns (CB), Sean Davis (S), Javon Hargrave (DT), Nick Vannett (TE).

Obviously, we can't realistically fit those 6 players into $6 million in space.

So.... we can do some cuts/restructures:

1. Roethlisberger is going to count $33 million against the cap in 2020. There COULD be some creative ways to push this money out into the future. His base salary + roster bonus (projected take home pay) for 2020 is $21 million. Some of that could be converted into a signing bonus if we add a year to his contract or something silly like that.

2. Mark Barron can be cut pre-June 1st and save $5.25 million. This kind of makes sense. A minimum salary player has to fill this spot, but it's still a significant savings.

3. Ramon Foster can be cut pre-June 1st and save $4 million.

4. Vance McDonald can be cut (i.e. team option not taken) and save $5.675 million.



Remember that in the 51-player count, there are many "placeholders" that likely won't make the final team, but make so little (in that $600k to $1 million range) that it doesn't matter WHO is taking up that salary spot, just as long as they are in that price range.

So.... let's say we don't do anything with Roethlisberger for now. We cut Barron, Foster and McDonald. That leaves us (without any restructures) with $20 million and placeholders (i.e. min salary guys) on the roster replacing:

OLB (Dupree), 2 Guards (Foster/Finney), 2 DB's (Burns/Davis), DT (Hargrave) and 2 TE's (McDonald/Vannett)

Those become the big "holes" to fill on the roster.

It is my bet we tag Dupree with all the cap space we gain with cuts. I think we draft offensive guards and TE's and maybe try to get Finney on the cheap. Maybe Vannett on the cheap again as well, depending on coaching staff evaluation.

It's too bad we don't have a 1st rounder, but Fitzpatrick is really replacing Davis/Burns failures to earn a 2nd contract.

Our 2nd and 3rd rounders will most certainly go to O-line and TE's. The problem is that rookie TE's rarely are productive right away as a rookie so even if we get one of the top-3 TE prospects in the 2nd round, the likelihood of immediate impact is probably not realistic. We also don't have a huge amount of money to spend on the position above a minimum salary player.

There just isn't a lot of changes possible. We will cut the dead weight but as far as major additions, it's just not in the cards.

Just hope we hit on our 2nd and 3rd round picks because they WILL have to contribute sooner rather than later. We also have very little room for quality depth. We are a bit top-heavy in our talent right now.

Again... signs point to a tough season to me. Roethlisberger will GREATLY help the offense, but the line is regressing, the running backs will be a committee of mediocrity and the TE position will be woefully thin. On defense, I think we stay pretty good, but I doubt the sacks and turnovers happen as well as this year so we regress from a top-3 defense into a top-10 defense (maybe 7th-10th). Roethlisberger gets beat up, a key injury exposes our lack of depth and young talent and we limp into the playoffs with a 10-11 win team likely looking up to Baltimore (as they reap having a cheap, MVP-caliber QB and are able to fill in all their holes/depth with salary cap room).

That's the forecast right now. Not bad, not great.
 
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I will add this.

What I wrote above is what I expect to happen based on how conservative this team is year-to-year in their offseason moves. But there are a ton of what-if things we could talk about that could help this team.

Like for instance, make all the cuts I listed above but instead of using the salary cap on a franchise tag of Dupree, let him walk.

Instead, sign Jamie Collins with a cap friendly 2-year, $18 million deal. Cap hit around $5-6 million.

Instead of drafting a TE, make a call to Tampa Bay about what 2021 draft pick could get OJ Howard. Or call Cleveland and ask about Njoku (new coach might not want him and would rather have picks).

With the extra money you can get better depth along the O-line and in the secondary and ILB spots.

I mean, it just doesn't make sense to tag Dupree knowing we probably won't see eye-to-eye on what he wants as a contract (Spotrac says his market value is 5-years, $80 million). So we are basically going to "rent" Dupree at the 1-year cap number when if we cut bait we can hire a veteran fill in guy that gives us a lot more flexibility at OTHER position and depth this year.

We might even overspend (or retain) McDonald again, who will likely get injured and give us .50 cents on the dollar in production.

I mean, this team could (and likely will) spend $22 million in cap space on McDonald and Dupree as 1-year rentals because they are unwilling to rock the boat and think outside the box. And while having those two players WILL provide production, I am not sure it will be worth the problems that $22 million in cap space is causing us and with no long-term benefit to the team.

The tight end market is bad. Unless we think outside the box and pry a rookie-contract TE underperforming for a future draft pick, we are going to overspend in free agency (i.e. McDonald or the like) or depend on an unproven rookie.

We will see what happens, but how we handle Dupree and McDonald (i.e. TE) will really define this entire off-season.
 
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