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Will our running gane be better with Hodges at Quarterback?

Agenda driven coach will ignore how in virtually every game Rudolph’s passing stats got better in the second half because our OC gets more aggressive when he has to. Next week if hodges starts they likely will try to shelter him the same they always do with young QBs...

Dobbs first play for us was a very gutsy conversation of twenty yards, but afterwards when he played it was mostly conservative stuff

Rudolph played lights out coming in after ben was hurt, but then the next week the whole first half every play had a first read inside five yards. The second half they opened things up more, but this team has a history of this... unless Hodges audibles into other plays we will probably see the same stuff with him... and if he does they probably will bench him first mistake for paxton... assuming that Rudolph doesn’t start next week anyhow
 
I think the running game would be better if they actually ran the ball more than sporadically.
 
Sarge said:
I think the running game would be better if they actually ran the ball more than sporadically.
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Play action when you don't run the ball doesn't fool anyone either.
 
mdk2 said:
At 1-4.. does it really matter if we're able to run the ball next week. Besides, everyone knows we don't win games on the west coast no matter how good of a team we have.. and this team is bad.
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This team isn't bad, look at the teams they have lost to. Patriots, Niners, Seahawks and Ravens are all playoff teams at this point.. They just have a very small window for error and with player mistakes and mediocre coaching that is the breaking point.
 
madinsomniac said:
Well with one game left to go, i think the answer is nope.... lol
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The question should have been........ Will our running game be better with the more experience gained by our OC through the season.................. You could still have the same answer.






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Hoor asked me about my issues with the blocking scheme in another thread and I never got around to answering him... we don’t utilize a blocking back worth a damn.. in running formation we bring in a olineman , which is stupid... we telegraph run, the guy doesn’t add any potential run or pass threat and he is deployed across the line where his impact can be minimized easier than a subective blocker out of the backfield...

It’s just dumb coaching... teams run against loaded run defenses all the time.. out centers are being asked to do some silly stuff that isn’t working... ouroline save decastro has been sucking at run blocking and that just their initial assignments, not even the run blitzes, which apparently nobody on the offense is capable of dealing with....
 
madinsomniac said:
Hoor asked me about my issues with the blocking scheme in another thread and I never got around to answering him... we don’t utilize a blocking back worth a damn.. in running formation we bring in a olineman , which is stupid... we telegraph run, the guy doesn’t add any potential run or pass threat and he is deployed across the line where his impact can be minimized easier than a subective blocker out of the backfield...

It’s just dumb coaching... teams run against loaded run defenses all the time.. out centers are being asked to do some silly stuff that isn’t working... ouroline save decastro has been sucking at run blocking and that just their initial assignments, not even the run blitzes, which apparently nobody on the offense is capable of dealing with....
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Hoor? Hoor? I may be cheap, but I am easy.

Blocking back? You mean Nix who was hurt this year?

Teams run against loaded boxes all the time? LOL. Do you know how you deal with loaded boxes? (hint: throw the ball at the single coverage)

BTW - you are missing what I was asking. You said blocking schemes were messed up. What I am asking is for you to take a play - any play, your call, 28 sweep, 26G, 26 power, 24 ISO...whatever...you decide. You put up a running play and tell us what the blocking scheme is and you tell us why it is wrong. Then, for bonus points, tell us the solution. Imma throw you a holiday bone...blocking schemes aren't the issue. Execution is. And why is execution an issue? Because 6 or 7 hats can not block 8 or 9 or 10 hats. Seriously - this is HS football 101.
 
Coach said:
Here’s one vote for yes. You can only dink and dunk for a while before teams move their defenders closer to the LOS to stop it. Our backs have less room to run and confront the second level sooner in this type of passing offense.

Hodges can hit the mid passes with accuracy and run with it. Two things that were weak points with Rudolph.



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Duck lobbed passes up in the air and prayed. He has no arm strength and thus no accuracy. He can't throw to the sidelines with any zip on the ball. Teams did and will continue to crowd the box with him or Rudolph at QB. Duck was exposed the last 2 games. He needs to somehow gain serious arm strength in the offseason or he won't be on the team next year, especially if Ben and Rudolph are back healthy.
 
Fichner needs to scheme his game plan to account for Ducks weak arm, a loaded box, etc. But he hasn't, and I don't expect him to. We will lose this game.
 
Our offensive issues are directly related to personnel at qb, rb, te, and wr.
Period.
 
Hoot said:
Hoor? Hoor? I may be cheap, but I am easy.

Blocking back? You mean Nix who was hurt this year?

Teams run against loaded boxes all the time? LOL. Do you know how you deal with loaded boxes? (hint: throw the ball at the single coverage)

BTW - you are missing what I was asking. You said blocking schemes were messed up. What I am asking is for you to take a play - any play, your call, 28 sweep, 26G, 26 power, 24 ISO...whatever...you decide. You put up a running play and tell us what the blocking scheme is and you tell us why it is wrong. Then, for bonus points, tell us the solution. Imma throw you a holiday bone...blocking schemes aren't the issue. Execution is. And why is execution an issue? Because 6 or 7 hats can not block 8 or 9 or 10 hats. Seriously - this is HS football 101.
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Nix, when he plays, is in on how many plays a game? And when he did/does come in we basically telegraph that it is probably a run(Even with Ben). As Madinsomniac stated. We now bring in an extra OLman. And it limits what we do in that formation.
 
Even a weak arm can throw quick slant passes. It's all about timing and the plays are relatively easy to do and they work. That is why you see most teams use the plays. And, that is how Marsha has made a 2 decade career. Why Fichtner won't use them is beyond me. Duck and Rudolph aren't changing up plays at the line so we know it's Fichtner who is not calling them.
 
We have Duck & Rudy at QB.. JuJu and Connor hurt most of time..

How we won eight games is beyond me ..
 
Coach said:
Here’s one vote for yes. You can only dink and dunk for a while before teams move their defenders closer to the LOS to stop it. Our backs have less room to run and confront the second level sooner in this type of passing offense.

Hodges can hit the mid passes with accuracy and run with it. Two things that were weak points with Rudolph.



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This HAS TO BE one of your dumbest threads in a while...

Hodges is not going to keep 7 - 8 guys out of the box. Period the end. Our OL cannot be fixed because the play-calling is atrocious...
 
Coach said:
Hodges's accuracy in camp set a record. Something like 70.3% percent which is better than Ben's accuray and anyone else's in the sox years of camp stats.


While he is wild like you said, he the arm, accuracy, mobility, and playing style be someone down the line.


In his senior year in college, he threw for 4,283 yards, completed 70.5% of his passes, threw for 32 touchdowns and ran for 8 more. He did this in 11 games played. While his competition level was suspect, he wasn't close to working with NFL players on offense.


Rudolph is what he is. He has a low NFL ceiling. Rookie Qb's and 2nd year QB's playing are doing better.
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I almost pissed myself laughing!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Our secondary, in camp, was the same, less Davis, that got SHREDDED by Marsha!!! You're hilarious!!!
 
TDX27 said:
Duck lobbed passes up in the air and prayed. He has no arm strength and thus no accuracy. He can't throw to the sidelines with any zip on the ball. Teams did and will continue to crowd the box with him or Rudolph at QB. Duck was exposed the last 2 games. He needs to somehow gain serious arm strength in the offseason or he won't be on the team next year, especially if Ben and Rudolph are back healthy.
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But Cooch said he was the most accurate QB 'in camp' history!!! I'm still in tears laughing!!!
 
TDX27 said:
Even a weak arm can throw quick slant passes. It's all about timing and the plays are relatively easy to do and they work. That is why you see most teams use the plays. And, that is how Marsha has made a 2 decade career. Why Fichtner won't use them is beyond me. Duck and Rudolph aren't changing up plays at the line so we know it's Fichtner who is not calling them.
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I'm with you. I know if he would have stayed w/ the dink and doink play-calling we probably would have been more successful---but, noooooo, some here wanted to see the deep ball get thrown all game and that's how we're down to Duck - Rudy got KO'd and hasn't been the same since and Duck has the arm strength of a sparrow...
 
stillwright said:
Nix, when he plays, is in on how many plays a game? And when he did/does come in we basically telegraph that it is probably a run(Even with Ben). As Madinsomniac stated. We now bring in an extra OLman. And it limits what we do in that formation.
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A fb telegraphs what we do as much as another lineman. Probably more. That has nothing to do with how a play is blocked. That is play selection. I am on record all over this board on my feelings on play selection. A bad play selection does not mean it was drawn up with bad blocking scheme... That is whose hat goes on who.

I will ask again... Draw our basic 26 run with blocking scheme VS a base 43d and tell me what is wrong with how blocking assignments are given. That is blocking scheme.

Play choice and game plan are different beasts. Ours are awful.

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Hoot said:
Hoor? Hoor? I may be cheap, but I am easy.

Blocking back? You mean Nix who was hurt this year?

Teams run against loaded boxes all the time? LOL. Do you know how you deal with loaded boxes? (hint: throw the ball at the single coverage)

BTW - you are missing what I was asking. You said blocking schemes were messed up. What I am asking is for you to take a play - any play, your call, 28 sweep, 26G, 26 power, 24 ISO...whatever...you decide. You put up a running play and tell us what the blocking scheme is and you tell us why it is wrong. Then, for bonus points, tell us the solution. Imma throw you a holiday bone...blocking schemes aren't the issue. Execution is. And why is execution an issue? Because 6 or 7 hats can not block 8 or 9 or 10 hats. Seriously - this is HS football 101.
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Got to applaud this. Great explanation on the purpose of diagraming a scheme. This was almost TMCesque. Hoot, you moonlighting?

Scheme can be perfect or busted, based upon the EXECUTION of the scheme.

Everyone knew Bill Walsh’s West Coast offense play call tendencies, yet, still was very successful.......wasn’t catching anyone off guard, it was the execution by the players.


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Ike Kelly said:
Got to applaud this. Great explanation on the purpose of diagraming a scheme. This was almost TMCesque. Hoot, you moonlighting?

Scheme can be perfect or busted, based upon the EXECUTION of the scheme.

Everyone knew Bill Walsh’s West Coast offense play call tendencies, yet, still was very successful.......wasn’t catching anyone off guard, it was the execution by the players.


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EDIT: Deletes and Edits to orignal due to Hoot misreading and being dumb

Lets start with a definition of blocking scheme. Blocking scheme are the rules that determine what offensive players block which defenisve players on any given play. It is quite literally RG blocks ILB and OT gets OLB while backside OG pulls and kicks out the DE. That is blocking scheme.
A play such as a 26 Power means the 2 back to the six hole using Power blocking scheme. 26 G means 2 back to the 6 hole using G scheme blocks. There are others for sure.

Now, draw a 26 run play against a 43 with a safety in the box. I don't care what personnel package you use...ol, fb, whatever you want. If you pull 2 TE's into the game, I get to pull another S into the box for 9 in the box. I will be happy to wait for you to show me the blocking scheme. You are going to end up with one extra defender who will be unblocked assuming the Oline uses no double teams. Consistent running in such a situation isn't going to happen.

The point is, you can scheme your blocks anyway you want, but you can't beat that many defenders on blocking scheme alone. You have to be able to pass and do it quickly. The problem isn't the scheme is bad...the problem is there are more defenders in the box than can be blocked. This is football 101

Execution is key. Players have to execute said scheme. Even then, teams are putting more defenders in the box than can be accounted for because they do not respect the QB's ability to break it in the air. Funny you mention West Coast offense because it is exactly what I would draw concepts from were I putting a game plan together. (and by the way, they have used some concepts...the idea that a fast pass to the back is as good as a run).

EDIT: and this is where I differentiate between game plan (play selection) and individual play which includes a blocking scheme. The individual blocking scheme may be fine, but play selection hasn't been. Any monkey like me can draw up a play with sound blocking schemes. Player execution is part, but so is calling that play at the right time. That is where guys like Randy make the big bucks (although I don't think he should...not in Pittsburgh anyway)
 
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