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Tomlin is 1-8

Tomlin will never be the coach that the Pittsburgh Steelers need to be successful. In over his head is an understatement. The man is too indecisive and to eratic and his team has no identity because of it.
 
Tomlin's two main faults:
-NO sense of urgency unless we're playing a good team
-Coaches to what he thinks will outsmart or trick the other team, rather than WHAT WORKS

If Ben is having success throwing the ball down the field and carving up opposing secondaries, and we're playing a team with a terrible secondary and a great front 7, what does every coach in the league do? ATTACK DOWN THE FIELD! What does Tomlin do? Dink and dunk, power running, screens, 8 completions for 24 yards
 
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This team has become soft, eratic, inconsistent, unaware of how to attack an opponent's weakness, unable to make adjustments, undisciplined, unfocused,etc. It all transcends down from the coach who must take accountability for his team. The media in Pittsburgh must make this guy accountable and stop making excuses for him. He is not an upper echelon head coach. He's very average and his team is a reflection of him.
 
AggieSteel said:
Tomlin's two main faults:
-NO sense of urgency unless we're playing a good team
-Coaches to what he thinks will outsmart or trick the other team, rather than WHAT WORKS

If Ben is having success throwing the ball down the field and carving up opposing secondaries, and we're playing a team with a terrible secondary and a great front 7, what does every coach in the league do? ATTACK DOWN THE FIELD! What does Tomlin do? Dink and dunk, power running, screens, 8 completions for 24 yards
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It really is that simple too
 
It just doesn't matter who's fault it is.

At the end of the day. 8-8. Again.

Maybe they exceed expectations and go 9-7.

At any rate the Ravens will once again win the division because no matter how bad they look at this point of the season, the Ravens actually know how to play tough, hard-nosed football. They know that they simply have to beat the **** out of their opponents and eventually their opponents will likely fold. While that may not get them all the way to the Superbowl, it will get them past this division. It will certainly get them past the Steelers.

While it's true the Browns have amassed enough high picks to eventually become somewhat competitive they aren't well enough coached yet to be truly in the Ravens league. The Bengals will always be the Bengals, too much flash, not enough substance down the stretch (sound familiar?)

Nope. The Ravens are the new enforcers. Newsome simply paid attention during the 90s and set about building the Steelers mold and he's managed to more or less hold that mindset together while the Steelers have completely lost direction.

I'm fine with a more offensive oriented team. The problem is they lack a true identity on offense. They don't seem to know one week from the next what they want to do or how to do it. Defensively who the hell knows WHAT is going to show up.

You let the Jets get up on you by 17 pts in the 1st quarter and Ya, all hell's going to break loose. Of course this coaching staff is going to panic and throw any semblance of game-plan out. (That's assuming they HAD a game plan in the first place.) At the point the Jets went up by that much you can bet there was mass chaos on the sideline even though Tomlin looked calm as fetid water. Underneath the guy was probably soiling himself as was Haley as they had no idea whatsoever what to do about that. That's why you see Haley reverting to what he knows. Short passing game, insta-screen and stupid underneath stuff that is his absolute bread and butter. He was too panic'd to take a chance. Of course Tomlin is unable to intervene. I expect he's barely able to tie his shoes. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he uses velcro.

Admittedly, it's easy for us fans to sit back in retrospect and come up with the perfect solution to the debacle. But it seems when your running backs are completely unable to find any running lanes and you're being limited to very short passes which are being quickly dropped by sure tackles you should explore some deeper routes to pull those safeties and linebackers back a little. I don't know. Maybe they felt Roethlisberger just didn't have enough time. Maybe they felt that the Jets had been burned SO much by other QBs throwing deep that they had to throw in a new wrinkle and beat them underneath. (That's me being passive aggressive, btw.) But whatever. Who ******* cares. If a team blows ***, they're going to kick the **** out of the Steelers. It's how it's going to work. Period. End of story.

Meanwhile, the buffoonish players continue to do their "first down" signals and dance while they mount a frenzied and ultimately failed attempt to come back against a 1-7 team that was on the cusp of having its coach fired. Hey, maybe they saved Ryan's job. Chalk that up as the Steelers' good-deed for the season.
 
I think I see the 8 losses from below. Throw out the 0-1 teams. Throw out the 2-7 chiefs and 3-8 raiders (those were bad losses however) and you have 8 on the following list.

2007 Lose to 1-8 Jets
2009 Lose to 2-7 Chiefs
2009 Lose to 3-8 Raiders
2009 Lose to 1-11 Browns
2012 Lose to 0-2 Raiders
2012 Lose to 1-4 Titans
2012 Lose to 2-8 Browns
2013 Lose to 0-1 Bengals
2013 Lose to 0-3 Vikings
2014 Lose to 0-1 Ravens
2014 Lose to 0-3 Bucs
2014 Lose to 1-8 Jets

I have not gone through all the victories in Tomlin's career and see where we have won vs. an .200 or lower team. I guess it's only once but it would be interesting to know if someone wants to do the research.
 
deljzc said:
I think I see the 8 losses from below. Throw out the 0-1 teams. Throw out the 2-7 chiefs and 3-8 raiders (those were bad losses however) and you have 8 on the following list.

2007 Lose to 1-8 Jets
2009 Lose to 2-7 Chiefs
2009 Lose to 3-8 Raiders
2009 Lose to 1-11 Browns
2012 Lose to 0-2 Raiders
2012 Lose to 1-4 Titans
2012 Lose to 2-8 Browns
2013 Lose to 0-1 Bengals
2013 Lose to 0-3 Vikings
2014 Lose to 0-1 Ravens
2014 Lose to 0-3 Bucs
2014 Lose to 1-8 Jets

I have not gone through all the victories in Tomlin's career and see where we have won vs. an .200 or lower team. I guess it's only once but it would be interesting to know if someone wants to do the research.
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The arrow is pointing down, obviously.
 
Will be able to point to the Jets and Bucks games at the end of the year if they dont make the playoffs. Just like we did last year when they lost to the Raiders, Titans Vikings. Or the year before that when they lost to the Raiders Titans and Browns.

Every one of those games you knew damn well would bite them in the *** at the end of the year. Maybe we will get to watch the Chiefs try to kick a game winning field goal for them to make the playoffs in garbage time again this year....

Whats the difference between the playoffs and and 8-8? A couple of games you lose against the scrubs....
 
Emotionless, pitiful, only reason Tomlin got a super bowl ring as I said to many people outside here is that he won it with Cowher's team. Otherwise he might have already been gone by now. I hear from some sources close to me, than if this does continue he will get terminated but till the season is over. I just can't figure out how a team can look like a sure play off team, to a team playing inferior to the worst teams out there. Mind blowing. I have nothing else to say..
 
I think I found the only win in the 1-8 stat (and you aren't going to believe it) is the 3-0 victory over Miami (who was winless) in the flood bowl.
 
deljzc said:
I think I found the only win in the 1-8 stat (and you aren't going to believe it) is the 3-0 victory over Miami (who was winless) in the flood bowl.
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from one stink to another then?

:cool:
 
Idioteque said:
Jax this season I think.
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So that means it's at least 2 wins vs. a .200 or worse team, which makes the "1-8 record" a bit dubious without further research.
 
I found Kansas City in 2012 as well. They were 1-7 when we beat them that year. I will edit this post with more when I find them.

Indianapolis was 0-2 when we beat then in 2011

Arizona was 1-4 when we beat them in 2011

St. Louis was 2-12 when we beat them in 2011

Cleveland was 1-4 when we beat then in 2010

Buffalo was 2-8 when we beat them in 2010

Cincinnati was 2-10 when we beat them in 2010

Carolina was 2-12 when we beat them in 2010

Cleveland was 1-4 when we beat them in 2009

Cincinnati was 0-6 when we beat them in 2008

Cincinnati was 1-8-1 when we beat them in 2008 (again)
 
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I think that's all of them.

So not counting 0-1 teams, Tomlin's record against .200 or worse teams is actually 12-8.

If you count 0-1 teams AND say the stat is "under .200" winning percentage, our record is 7-8 (maybe better because I'm sure we beat an 0-1 team somewhere in week 2).

Whoever first quoted this "stat" needs to STFU.
 
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deljzc said:
I think I found the only win in the 1-8 stat (and you aren't going to believe it) is the 3-0 victory over Miami (who was winless) in the flood bowl.
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Not the Jaguars this year?
 
TAS said:
Either way the trend is there and it is inexcusable.
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True and if memory serves this is a road record. I'm sure we have more home wins against teams with losing records, but our road performance is abysmal.
 
The subject came up often on sports talk radio today. I thought one of the hosts had a great answer.
"Good teams don't lose to bad teams. Mediocre teams can lose to bad teams, however."
 
deljzc said:
I think that's all of them.

So not counting 0-1 teams, Tomlin's record against .200 or worse teams is actually 12-8.
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Is that supposed to help? He should be something like 18-2 or 17-3 if he aspires to be a serious contender on a yearly basis. 12-8 sucks.
 
Steel G said:
Is that supposed to help? He should be something like 18-2 or 17-3 if he aspires to be a serious contender on a yearly basis. 12-8 sucks.
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I just hate misquoted stats. You can make your own case for how good/bad 12-8 is (I think I found another win vs. 0-3 Indianapolis in 2011 so it's really 13-8).

Remember, teams that are 7 point favorites LOSE THE GAME OUTRIGHT about 25% of the time historically in the NFL. Even against a 0-3 or 1-4 team, if we are away that's likely under a 7 point favorite. So I would not expect 18-2 or 17-3. That seems overly optimistic. You might hit that with some of the greatest regular season performers recently (New England and P. Manning), but those are exceptions and the elite of the elite "regular season" performers.

We are not them (and not many are) when it comes to regular season success.
 
Perspective anyone. Tomlin may indeed be in over his head still. Last week Joe Greene came in and talked to the steelers they were well motivated (by someone other than the coaching staff). Ben throws 2 picks Brown fumbles twice? I did not get to watch the game so I am going by what you folks post. With 4 turnovers it is very hard to win if not impossible. The coaches did not turn the ball over two of our star players did and it looks like they had a bad game at the same time. Our secondary has been decimated, it is hard to play well with your last rank of healthy players in there, there is a reason they are not the starters, sometimes more than one.

The yets had a qb change so a lot of recent film on vick was not available. The yets were much better than their record indicated having shot themselves in the foot many times with turn overs.
Sounds like they were just do to win one finally and the Steelers begin to think they are better than they are and piss away a win by being over confident.

It could be Ben was stressed about another record, as was Brown because he was worried about keeping the lead in the receivers race. Stress can do that to a person so they are trying too hard and it ruins their game. Going deep against a defense with as many sacks as this team has given up against a team that has generated so many sacks is madness. Before the receivers get deep and open Ben will get blasted by a lineman and the drive will be over.

The coaches may have had a game plan that was pretty good but it takes the players to execute it. And with a performance like that it would be hard to tell.

We have another game next week we are still close but now we have less room for error. I suspect we may have seen the last division lead this year that will have the Steelers name next to it. This to quote Labriola is a team that can not stand prosperity.
 
deljzc said:
I found Kansas City in 2012 as well. They were 1-7 when we beat them that year. I will edit this post with more when I find them.

Indianapolis was 0-2 when we beat then in 2011

Arizona was 1-4 when we beat them in 2011

St. Louis was 2-12 when we beat them in 2011

Cleveland was 1-4 when we beat then in 2010

Buffalo was 2-8 when we beat them in 2010

Cincinnati was 2-10 when we beat them in 2010

Carolina was 2-12 when we beat them in 2010

Cleveland was 1-4 when we beat them in 2009

Cincinnati was 0-6 when we beat them in 2008

Cincinnati was 1-8-1 when we beat them in 2008 (again)
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Some of those were home games. And there's probably a qualifying limit; I doubt losing to an 0-1 team would count for this stati.
 
Here is a reliable stat for you:

@FO_ScottKacsmar
Road games from 2009-2013
Steelers have 3rd-best record vs. winning teams
Steelers have 18th-best record vs. non-winning teams.
ugh.
 
Listen, if this was the first, or even the second time this has happened, I would be calling bs too, but we have been Oaklands ***** how many times now, and we remain Tampa's only win this year, and we very nearly lost to Jax as well. This is a problem, we can debate the stat, but even if it's not accurate (and I'm betting it is, there is just a qualifier we're missing, like number of games played, etc) we KNOW there is a problem, because most of us here expect every game against a **** team to be a nail biter. THAT is a problem.

Joe
 
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