"Brown-out" Sunday had nothing to do with an injury

[Avoid_Lloyd]

There isn't a coach in the league that could rein in this guy.

You're just adding logs to the fire for firing Tomlin, but this one is out of his control.


For the record, I'm not saying he shouldn't be fired also.

You could very well be right about Brown. My point is you have multilpe patterns of incidents like this on this team on the last 2 years: Harrison sleeping in meetings, Bell skipping a playoff walk thru and talking **** on twitter to the Jags, Mitchell standing outside the Jags locker room pre game and talking ****, Ben calling out teammates in the media, on and on.

The players see someone get away with it and its open season on performance sucking selfish drama. I'm saying a better coach at least calms some of it down

 

[Superman]

Being a HC has a lot to do with managing MEN, MT has proven not to be able to handle these things.

are you assuming this is the first rodeo between Tomlin and Brown? Seems AB got the point quickly after his Facebook Live bullshit. But this latest has escalated to something different.

 

[Coach]

There isn't a coach in the league that could rein in this guy.

You're just adding logs to the fire for firing Tomlin, but this one is out of his control.

For the record, I'm not saying he shouldn't be fired also.

I'm going to disagree with you there. It starts with RESPECT, and Tomlin pretty much letting AB get away with anything he wants until he has to use discipline is not the way to handle it.

When a new head coach starts, everyone walks the line.

Its not only Brown. Bell, Bryant, Pouncey using Social media when Tomlin asked him not to. Tomlin cretig silly rules like only its can play locker room games, then reversing it when he lost control.

Hoodie and Coughlin do not del with diva's for long and can get them to focus. See Randy Moss.

And yes, I;ll ad logs to the foolish things Tomlin does. Not playing AB when he could have ( and needed to win ) and having Ben sit over Dobbs ( Which might have cost us the Raiders game ) did not help us win.

I would have let AB play, and fined him. Could you imagine if we lost the game, but the Browns won? The Optics would be terrible.

 

[Steeler Pride]

They don't have a third receiver and you want to get rid of their 1st, the one who draws constant double teams? Did you see how Juju struggled against the Bungles? As did the O?

Not a good idea. He hasn't done anything that he can't be punished for internally.

Unfortunately, Tomlin and Company have proven that they cannot handle this internally, nor can they seem to curtail this kind of selfish behavior. Either replace the management or replace the employee because obviously, they cannot co-exist.

 

[Steeler Pride]

obviously not. see Harrison, James
**** Deebo

After the staff let him sleep thru meetings all year long. Like Brown was punished for missing the final team walk thru before the Saints?

 

[xjx]

A classic example of someone getting too big for their britches.

 

[Superman]

I'm going to disagree with you there. It starts with RESPECT, and Tomlin pretty much letting AB get away with anything he wants until he has to use discipline is not the way to handle it.

When a new head coach starts, everyone walks the line.

Its not only Brown. Bell, Bryant, Pouncey using Social media when Tomlin asked him not to. Tomlin cretig silly rules like only its can play locker room games, then reversing it when he lost control.

Hoodie and Coughlin do not del with diva's for long and can get them to focus. See Randy Moss.

And yes, I;ll ad logs to the foolish things Tomlin does. Not playing AB when he could have ( and needed to win ) and having Ben sit over Dobbs ( Which might have cost us the Raiders game ) did not help us win.

I would have let AB play, and fined him. Could you imagine if we lost the game, but the Browns won? The Optics would be terrible.

so do you care about "optics" or do you care more about keeping **** in-house and under control?

 

[mdk2]

You could very well be right about Brown. My point is you have multilpe patterns of incidents like this on this team on the last 2 years: Harrison sleeping in meetings, Bell skipping a playoff walk thru and talking **** on twitter to the Jags, Mitchell standing outside the Jags locker room pre game and talking ****, Ben calling out teammates in the media, on and on.

The players see someone get away with it and its open season on performance sucking selfish drama. I'm saying a better coach at least calms some of it down

James Harrison said he saw Tom Brady running to meetings cause he knew he couldn't be late... that's called respect for the HC.
Not to mention, a HC he doesn't really like.

 

[JMM]

Ben has won SBs with a lot less talented WRs than AB. Trust me, the WRs need Ben a lot more than he needs them.

Granted they didn't have much time to game plan with him out n but man the offense sure sputtered without AB being double teamed. He can't see that he helps the team when hes not getting the ball thrown to him every time but that's the mindset of most WRs. Hope JuJu doesn't go down that road.

 

[Steeler Pride]

so do you care about "optics" or do you care more about keeping **** in-house and under control?

This is under control? Brown's behavior ALL season long is your definition of "under control?"

 

[Punxsutawney]

Anyone catch the camera on Brown on the sideline in a ******* fur coat yesterday?

I mean, he was an inactive player on the field dressed like he was at the BET awards or something. Who the **** does that?

He's a great player, obviously, but his personality/attitude is reflective of everything that's wrong with this team.

Funny that Tomlin apparently thought he could get away with lying about this.

A lot of players probably were not happy it and spilled the beans once they knew the season over.

 

[JMM]

James Harrison said he saw Tom Brady running to meetings cause he knew he couldn't be late... that's called respect for the HC.

Might be just an ingrained sense of responsibility and professionalism. I'm sure that has been lost on a lot of today's players much like a lot of today's youth in general

 

[Superman]

After the staff let him sleep thru meetings all year long. Like Brown was punished for missing the final team walk thru before the Saints?

pick and choose. do you want **** handled in house or do you want **** dealt with visibly? sitting AB against the Saints would have been - at that time - even more awful than sitting him against the Bungles in the last game of the season when we needed to win. It would have been quite more obvious and garnered even more national attention. Probably --- no ... would have gotten more media attention than not playing Ben for two series against Oakland.

I'm not sticking up for Tomlin, but blame him for what he should be blamed for. He obviously had a talk with AB after the blow up Wednesday. Then AB blew him and the team off on Saturday. So Tomlin sat his *** yesterday.
Do we not expect a turd being paid millions more than any of us will ever see in our lifetime to act like a professional, or do we accept that he's a ******* mental midget diva and point all fingers of blame to the coach? I see what you're doing, so no need to answer.

 

[Superman]

This is under control? Brown's behavior ALL season long is your definition of "under control?"

can you tell the class what - precisely - Tomlin did to punish/penalize Brown during the season?

that's called "in-house"
which do you want?

 

[WarEagle]

I seem to remember another diva, Santonio Holmes, they couldn't manage him so the released him. He went on to be but a shell of the star he was in Pitt. I don't want that for Brown. Someone needs to control this team.

 

[slashsteel]

Unfortunately, Tomlin and Company have proven that they cannot handle this internally, nor can they seem to curtail this kind of selfish behavior. Either replace the management or replace the employee because obviously, they cannot co-exist.

And that is on him, I don't want talent depreciated because of Tomlin not being able to handle his business.

 

[Steeler Pride]

can you tell the class what - precisely - Tomlin did to punish/penalize Brown during the season?

that's called "in-house"
which do you want?

EFFECTIVENESS. Obviously Tomlin has not figured out how to keep him in check.

 

[Superman]

I seem to remember another diva, Santonio Holmes, they couldn't manage him so the released him. He went on to be but a shell of the star he was in Pitt. I don't want that for Brown. Someone needs to control this team.

they traded his *** to the Jets.
I don't want AB traded. I'm ok with Tomlin being fired.
I just want the blame to be put where it should. We have a whole **** ton of reasons to fire Tomlin and very, very few to keep him. This certainly isn't one reason to keep him.

 

[oicu8ad]

James Harrison said he saw Tom Brady running to meetings cause he knew he couldn't be late... that's called respect for the HC.
Not to mention, a HC he doesn't really like.

Exactly, great point. No one is afraid of Tomlin. He's like the substitute teacher that the kids run over.

 

[Superman]

EFFECTIVENESS. Obviously Tomlin has not figured out how to keep him in check.

Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Santonio Holmes

all prima dona diva ***** *** WRs who thought they could do **** simply because they are who they are. Only when they aged did they wise up. To Tomlin's credit, he's for the most part, kept AB's head in the game when he's on the field. Even if it meant dealing with some temper tantrums.

But, what would you have done, Coach Steeler Pride?

 

[WarEagle]

they traded his *** to the Jets.
I don't want AB traded. I'm ok with Tomlin being fired.
I just want the blame to be put where it should. We have a whole **** ton of reasons to fire Tomlin and very, very few to keep him. This certainly isn't one reason to keep him.

I don't want him traded either but "the tail can't wag the dog" I am starting to believe Tomlin will not be fired but I have even less confidence in him after reading about the AB situation. It is as much about player management as it is game planning and all the other items Tomlin has proven to be inadequate in.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Anyone catch the camera on Brown on the sideline in a ******* fur coat yesterday?

I mean, he was an inactive player on the field dressed like he was at the BET awards or something. Who the **** does that?

He's a great player, obviously, but his personality/attitude is reflective of everything that's wrong with this team.

Funny that Tomlin apparently thought he could get away with lying about this.

A lot of players probably were not happy it and spilled the beans once they knew the season over.

It hasn’t been mentioned yet, but it will. Brown violated NFL league rules by not being in approved NFL sideline apparel at the game. It’s probably the reason why no one saw him after the start of the game. He was told to leave the field and sideline. If he didn’t go to the team box then may have, not surprisingly, left Heinz Field.


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[Coryea]

So missing team meetings and still playing in the game is out of the coaches control?

Yeah really, Bell missed most of the team walk through before the Jax playoff game and played, AB missed the walk through before the Saints and played, maybe Cincy being so depleted made it an easy out to sit him vs Cincy.

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[wig]

I'm willing to bet AB took the bait on the leaked "cobbled together" quote from Ben that seemed to throw AB under the bus in a big way. He likely didn't realize that was two separate discussions about 2 different receivers just slammed together.

I expect AB also took exception if Ben called him out a bit during practice, particularly given his previous game and contribution.

I don't really worry too much about players getting heated during practice. They OUGHT to be fired up and emotional. The team needs a great deal more of that. And believe me NOBODY is more sick of Tomlin than me, but when he actually DOES take a stand and make a move to punish AB for conduct detrimental, folks are roasting him like a Christmas Turkey. The fact is, if he'd done nothing and let AB play, we would be roasting him for not taking a stand with AB's ****.

In other words, he probably handled this one about right. AB was disrespectful, Tomlin benched him. That sends the message, "I don't care HOW big the game is, if you can't keep your **** together, you won't be in it." Honestly I believe that is the right decision. I got plenty of things to be down on Tomlin for, this aint one of them.

 

[Steeler Pride]

Randy Moss
Terrell Owens
Santonio Holmes

all prima dona diva ***** *** WRs who thought they could do **** simply because they are who they are. Only when they aged did they wise up. To Tomlin's credit, he's for the most part, kept AB's head in the game when he's on the field. Even if it meant dealing with some temper tantrums.

But, what would you have done, Coach Steeler Pride?

I don't know Brown, I don't know what makes him tick, and I have never heard his side of the story for his outbursts. Like any teacher, parent, coach...etc, you have to know the story and figure out a discipline that means something to the person.