and while we are in theme....
There has never been another message....
and a never say die attitude....
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and while we are in theme....
There has never been another message....
and a never say die attitude....
Yes, that is correct. If the facts bear out, that's exactly what should happen. The order of those three events would be dictated by the law of the land.
Except if you're a democRAT
Trump "lies" are petty, white lies as compared to his predecessor.
... who told black lies.
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/365393-how-quickly-ny-times-forgets-obamas-lies-and-frauds
Donald Trump has been flogging the truth and twisting facts since the day he arrived in the Oval Office. But anyone who expected more candor from him as president than on the campaign trail was criminally naive. The real mystery nowadays is why the media seeks to expunge the falsehoods of prior presidents.
“Trump’s Lies versus Obama’s” was the headline in a Sunday Review New York Times piece aiming to drive a final coffin nail into Trump’s credibility. The Times claimed Trump has already “told nearly six times as many falsehoods as Obama did during his entire (8-year) presidency.” The columnists seem so distraught that it is surprising the article is not in all caps.
But the Times’ list of falsehoods is itself a charade with gaping Montana-sized holes.
Has the Times forgotten about Edward Snowden? Obama responded to Snowden’s stunning revelations of the National Security Agency’s vacuuming up millions of Americans’ personal data by going on the Jay Leno Show and proclaiming: “There is no spying on Americans.” But NSA’s definition of “terrorist suspect” was so ludicrously broad that it includes anyone “searching the web for suspicious stuff” (maybe including presidential lies). Obama’s verbal defenses of NSA spying collapsed like a row of houses of cards.
In early 2009, Obama visited Mexico and, in a spiel calling for the renewal of the assault weapon ban, asserted that “more than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States.” This vastly overstated the actual problem, since that statistic measured only firearms that Mexican authorities sent to the U.S. for tracing.
GOP lawmaker calls for second special counsel to investigate alleged anti-Trump bias in FBI https://t.co/o894CV1s8z pic.twitter.com/m8bbTAXc9z
— The Hill (@thehill) December 17, 2017
His administration then acted as if 90 percent was a goal, not a lie, launching a secret Fast and Furious gunwalking operation masterminded by the Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agency, deluging Mexican drug gangs with high-powered weapons. At least 150 Mexicans were killed by guns illegally sent south of the border with Obama administration approval.
Obama’s animosity to the Second Amendment spurred some of his most farcical whoppers. In July 2016, Obama asserted: “We flood communities with so many guns that it is easier for a teenager to buy a Glock than get his hands on a computer or even a book.” Glocks are the Lexus of handguns, and a person could buy hundreds of volumes of used books via Amazon for the price of a Glock.
A year earlier, Obama bewailed “neighborhoods where it’s easier for you to buy a handgun and clips than it is for you to buy a fresh vegetable.” Obama never offered a single example of a locale where carrots are rarer than .38 Specials. But his false claim helped frighten clueless suburbanites to support Obama’s anti-gun agenda.
The Times column lists only one Obama falsehood on the Affordable Care Act: “If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan.” Obama’s dozens of variations and recitals of this lie were disregarded. The Times also ignored the fact that the ObamaCare legislation was carefully crafted to con Congress and the public. As its intellectual godfather, MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, explained:
“Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically, that was really, really critical to get this thing to pass.”
To revile Trump, the column also struggles mightily to resurrect George W. Bush’s credibility. The Times concedes that Bush sought to justify attacking Iraq “by talking about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, which did not exist.” This vastly understates the role of official deceit in hustling that war.
In early 2003, Bush’s speeches continually warned, “If war is forced upon us....” There was never any truth to war being “forced upon us” (except by the White House) but that phrase helped Bush panic audiences still jittery after 9/11. The Center for Public Integrity, which has won two Pulitzer Prizes, compiled a list of 935 lies by Bush and his top appointees on Iraq. Perhaps to preserve the column’s lofty tone, the Times omitted any mention of Bush’s four years of brazenly false denials of authorizing a worldwide torture regime.
The Times’ comparison of Trump and other presidents implies that all lies are equally damnable. The Times ignored all the Obama false promises used to justify his troop surge in Afghanistan (which resulted in more than a thousand dead American troops with nothing to show for the sacrifice) and bombing Libya (which now has slave markets). But killing vast numbers of human beings should require more due diligence than assertions on federal spending for peanut subsidies.
The Times asserts that Trump is seeking to “to make truth irrelevant,” which “is extremely damaging to democracy.” But democracy has also been subverted by the media’s long history of ignoring or absolving presidential lies. For more than a century, the press has groveled the worst when presidents dragged the nation into the biggest perils.
Trump’s lies deserve to be exposed and condemned. But Bush’s and Obama’s lies help explain why only 20 percent of Americans trusted the federal government at the end of Obama’s reign. Pretending America recently had a Golden Age of honest politicians encourages the delusion that toppling Trump is all that is necessary to make the federal government great again.
... who told black lies.
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/365393-how-quickly-ny-times-forgets-obamas-lies-and-frauds
Donald Trump has been flogging the truth and twisting facts since the day he arrived in the Oval Office. But anyone who expected more candor from him as president than on the campaign trail was criminally naive. The real mystery nowadays is why the media seeks to expunge the falsehoods of prior presidents.
“Trump’s Lies versus Obama’s” was the headline in a Sunday Review New York Times piece aiming to drive a final coffin nail into Trump’s credibility. The Times claimed Trump has already “told nearly six times as many falsehoods as Obama did during his entire (8-year) presidency.” The columnists seem so distraught that it is surprising the article is not in all caps.
But the Times’ list of falsehoods is itself a charade with gaping Montana-sized holes.
Has the Times forgotten about Edward Snowden? Obama responded to Snowden’s stunning revelations of the National Security Agency’s vacuuming up millions of Americans’ personal data by going on the Jay Leno Show and proclaiming: “There is no spying on Americans.” But NSA’s definition of “terrorist suspect” was so ludicrously broad that it includes anyone “searching the web for suspicious stuff” (maybe including presidential lies). Obama’s verbal defenses of NSA spying collapsed like a row of houses of cards.
In early 2009, Obama visited Mexico and, in a spiel calling for the renewal of the assault weapon ban, asserted that “more than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States.” This vastly overstated the actual problem, since that statistic measured only firearms that Mexican authorities sent to the U.S. for tracing.
GOP lawmaker calls for second special counsel to investigate alleged anti-Trump bias in FBI https://t.co/o894CV1s8z pic.twitter.com/m8bbTAXc9z
— The Hill (@thehill) December 17, 2017
His administration then acted as if 90 percent was a goal, not a lie, launching a secret Fast and Furious gunwalking operation masterminded by the Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agency, deluging Mexican drug gangs with high-powered weapons. At least 150 Mexicans were killed by guns illegally sent south of the border with Obama administration approval.
Obama’s animosity to the Second Amendment spurred some of his most farcical whoppers. In July 2016, Obama asserted: “We flood communities with so many guns that it is easier for a teenager to buy a Glock than get his hands on a computer or even a book.” Glocks are the Lexus of handguns, and a person could buy hundreds of volumes of used books via Amazon for the price of a Glock.
A year earlier, Obama bewailed “neighborhoods where it’s easier for you to buy a handgun and clips than it is for you to buy a fresh vegetable.” Obama never offered a single example of a locale where carrots are rarer than .38 Specials. But his false claim helped frighten clueless suburbanites to support Obama’s anti-gun agenda.
The Times column lists only one Obama falsehood on the Affordable Care Act: “If you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor; if you like your health care plan, you'll be able to keep your health care plan.” Obama’s dozens of variations and recitals of this lie were disregarded. The Times also ignored the fact that the ObamaCare legislation was carefully crafted to con Congress and the public. As its intellectual godfather, MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, explained:
“Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically, that was really, really critical to get this thing to pass.”
To revile Trump, the column also struggles mightily to resurrect George W. Bush’s credibility. The Times concedes that Bush sought to justify attacking Iraq “by talking about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction, which did not exist.” This vastly understates the role of official deceit in hustling that war.
In early 2003, Bush’s speeches continually warned, “If war is forced upon us....” There was never any truth to war being “forced upon us” (except by the White House) but that phrase helped Bush panic audiences still jittery after 9/11. The Center for Public Integrity, which has won two Pulitzer Prizes, compiled a list of 935 lies by Bush and his top appointees on Iraq. Perhaps to preserve the column’s lofty tone, the Times omitted any mention of Bush’s four years of brazenly false denials of authorizing a worldwide torture regime.
The Times’ comparison of Trump and other presidents implies that all lies are equally damnable. The Times ignored all the Obama false promises used to justify his troop surge in Afghanistan (which resulted in more than a thousand dead American troops with nothing to show for the sacrifice) and bombing Libya (which now has slave markets). But killing vast numbers of human beings should require more due diligence than assertions on federal spending for peanut subsidies.
The Times asserts that Trump is seeking to “to make truth irrelevant,” which “is extremely damaging to democracy.” But democracy has also been subverted by the media’s long history of ignoring or absolving presidential lies. For more than a century, the press has groveled the worst when presidents dragged the nation into the biggest perils.
Trump’s lies deserve to be exposed and condemned. But Bush’s and Obama’s lies help explain why only 20 percent of Americans trusted the federal government at the end of Obama’s reign. Pretending America recently had a Golden Age of honest politicians encourages the delusion that toppling Trump is all that is necessary to make the federal government great again.
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Democrats don't lie. This is a known fact.
They just wipe servers clean...with a towel.
You made a ridiculous statement.
I asked you to prove it.
And this bullshit is all you could come up with?? Really??
I'm finding this hysterical, keep it up. Entertaining
Yep, but the politico's are starting to understand Trump while the ideologues still want that line drawn.
Charles Krauthammer interesting take on Mr. Trump
To my friends "of a different persuasion" I'm not trying to sell
anything or anyone but I do feel this is an interesting take on our
very controversial president who I truly believe is not Republican or
Democrat.
A TAKE ON DONALD TRUMP
A different take on Donald Trump: (a non-political agenda)
Trump Is Not A Liberal or Conservative, He's a "Pragmatist."
(Definition: A pragmatist is someone who is practical and focused on
reaching a goal. A pragmatist usually has a straightforward,
matter-of-fact approach and doesn't let emotion distract him or her.)
"We recently enjoyed a belated holiday dinner with friends at the home
of other friends. The dinner conversation varied from discussions
about antique glass and china to theology and politics.
At one point, reference was made to Donald Trump being a conservative,
to which I responded that Trump is not a conservative.
I said that I neither view nor do I believe Trump views himself as a
conservative. I stated it was my opinion that Trump is a pragmatist.
He sees a problem and understands it must be fixed. He doesn't see
the problem as liberal or conservative, he sees it only as a problem.
That is a quality that should be admired and applauded, not condemned.
But I get ahead of myself.
Viewing problems from a Liberal perspective has resulted in the
creation of more problems, more entitlement programs, more victims,
more government, more political correctness, and more attacks on the
working class in all economic strata.
Viewing things according to the so-called Republican conservative
perspective has brought continued spending and globalism to the
detriment of American interests and well being, denial of what the
real problems are, weak, ineffective, milquetoast, leadership that
amounts to Barney Fife Deputy Sheriff, appeasement oriented and afraid
of its own shadow. In brief, it has brought liberal ideology with a
pachyderm as a mascot juxtaposed to the *** of the Democrat Party.
Immigration isn't a Republican problem, it isn't a Liberal problem, it
is a problem that threatens the very fabric and infrastructure of
America. It demands a pragmatic approach not an approach that is
intended to appease one group or another.
The impending collapse of the economy wasn't a Liberal or Conservative
problem, it is an American problem. That said, until it is viewed as a
problem that demands a common sense approach to resolution, it will
never be fixed because the Democrats and Republicans know only one way
to fix things and the longevity of their impracticality has proven to
have no lasting effect.
Successful businessmen like Donald Trump find ways to make things
work, they do not promise to accommodate.
Trump uniquely understands that China's manipulation of currency is
not a Republican problem or a Democrat problem. It is a problem that
threatens our financial stability and he understands the proper
balance needed to fix it.
Here again, successful businessmen like Trump who have weathered the
changing tides of economic reality understand what is necessary to
make business work, and they, unlike both sides of the political
aisle, know that if something doesn't work, you don't continue trying
to make it work hoping that at some point it will.
As a pragmatist, Donald Trump hasn't made wild pie-in-the-sky promises
of a cell phone in every pocket, free college tuition, and a $15 hour
minimum wage for working the drive-through at Carl's Hamburgers.
I argue that America needs pragmatists because pragmatists see a
problem and find ways to fix them. They do not see a problem and
compound it by creating more problems.
You may not like Donald Trump, but I suspect that the reason some
people do not like him is because:
(1) he is antithetical to the "good old boy" method of brokering
backroom deals that fatten the coffers of politicians;
(2) they are unaccustomed to hearing a president speak who is
unencumbered by the financial shackles of those who he owes vis-a-vis
donations;
(3) he is someone who is free of idiomatic political ideology;
(4) he says what he is thinking, is unapologetic for his outspoken thoughts, speaks very straightforward using everyday language that can be understood by all (and is offensive to some who dislike him anyway) making him a great communicator, for the most part, does what he says he will do and;
(5) he is someone who understands that it takes more than hollow
promises and political correctness to make America great again.
Listening to Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders talk about fixing
America is like listening to two lunatics trying to "out crazy" one
another. Jeb Bush, John Kasich and Marco Rubio are owned lock, stock,
and barrel by the bankers, corporations, and big dollar donors funding
their campaigns. Bush can deny it, but common sense tells anyone
willing to face facts is that people don't give tens of millions
without expecting something in return
We have had Democrats and Republican ideologues and what has it
brought us? Are we better off today or worse off? Has it happened
overnight or has it been a steady decline brought on by both parties?
I submit that a pragmatist is just what America needs right now.
People are quick to confuse and despise confidence as arrogance, but
that is common among those who have never accomplished anything in
their lives (or politicians who never really solved a problem, because
it’s better to still have an "issue(s) to be solved," so re-elect me
to solve it, (which never happens) and those who have always played it
safe (again, all politicians) not willing to risk failure, to try and
achieve success).
Donald Trump put his total financial empire at risk in running for
president and certainly did not need or possibly even want the job;
that says it all. He wants success for the U.S. and her citizens
because he loves his country.
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Yes, that is correct. If the facts bear out, that's exactly what should happen. The order of those three events would be dictated by the law of the land.
Keep the faith Tibsy...keep the faith and don't let them dang facts deter ya neither.
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Facts, the very last thing you and every other Trump supporter gives two ***** about. Yes, preach to me about facts.
What are the facts, Tibs?
You've not been paying attention. katsung47 has been telling us the facts for several months now.
I hope his wife is OK. She is supposed to be dead by now....strangled by Bernie Sanders or Milo Yiannopolis.
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President Trump signs order to protect religious freedom, establishes new White House faith initiative
During the annual National Day of Prayer commemoration at the White House on Thursday, President Trump signed the latest executive order of his presidency, to establish a faith-based office, the White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative. He said it would focus on protecting religious freedom and ensuring that "the faith-based and community organizations that form the bedrock of our society have strong advocates in the White House and throughout the federal government."
"Prayer has always been at the center of the American life. America is a nation of believers, and together we are strengthened by the power of prayer," said Mr. Trump at the Rose Garden ceremony.
In addition to making recommendations to the administration, the office will also inform the administration of "any failures of the executive branch to comply with religious liberty protections under law."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-observes-national-day-of-prayer-at-white-house-live-stream/
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Onward Christian Soldiers!
During the annual National Day of Prayer commemoration at the White House on Thursday, President Trump signed the latest executive order of his presidency, to establish a faith-based office, the White House Faith and Opportunity Initiative. He said it would focus on protecting religious freedom and ensuring that "the faith-based and community organizations that form the bedrock of our society have strong advocates in the White House and throughout the federal government."
"Prayer has always been at the center of the American life. America is a nation of believers, and together we are strengthened by the power of prayer," said Mr. Trump at the Rose Garden ceremony.
In addition to making recommendations to the administration, the office will also inform the administration of "any failures of the executive branch to comply with religious liberty protections under law."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-observes-national-day-of-prayer-at-white-house-live-stream/
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Onward Christian Soldiers!
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You know that answer to that. Trump is the antithesis to Christian values in every which way. Him pandering to Christians is the pinnacle of hypocracy.
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It's also the pinnacle of hypocrisy.
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Awesome Tibs.
You know so much about so many other people.
You are able to righteously sit in judgment of those you do not like or do not identify with.
Wow, it must be so amazing to be smug like you!
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You know so much about so many other people.
You are able to righteously sit in judgment of those you do not like or do not identify with.
Wow, it must be so amazing to be smug like you!
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Yeah, I guess it does matter when you see facts through a one way mirror.
At all costs it is imperative that the lemmings must RESIST....
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Black dress=hit. Pink dress=what the hell is that? Some space alien? PASS
Friday, May 4th, 2018 08.25am. Steelerfan said PASS. Let this moment forever be recorded in history.
Also, you've had about 200 Hits that were far worse than this pass.
Ha ha! **** you, lying MSM!
President Donald Trump reacted to a major correction to an NBC News story, accusing the network of citing fictional sources.
“NBC NEWS is wrong again!” he wrote on Twitter on Tuesday. “They cite ‘sources’ which are constantly wrong. Problem is, like so many others, the sources probably don’t exist, they are fabricated, fiction!”
NBC News corrected their story after reporting Monday that federal authorities had wiretapped Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen, noting that it was actually a “pen register” log of phone lines that he contacted. Authorities were not able to listen to or record Cohen’s calls.
“NBC, my former home with the Apprentice, is now as bad as Fake News CNN,” Trump wrote. “Sad!”
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The president criticized “fake news” on Monday, after NBC News cited anonymous White House sources about his Chief of Staff John Kelly.
“Fake News is going ‘bonkers!'” he wrote on Twitter.
President Donald Trump reacted to a major correction to an NBC News story, accusing the network of citing fictional sources.
“NBC NEWS is wrong again!” he wrote on Twitter on Tuesday. “They cite ‘sources’ which are constantly wrong. Problem is, like so many others, the sources probably don’t exist, they are fabricated, fiction!”
NBC News corrected their story after reporting Monday that federal authorities had wiretapped Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Michael Cohen, noting that it was actually a “pen register” log of phone lines that he contacted. Authorities were not able to listen to or record Cohen’s calls.
“NBC, my former home with the Apprentice, is now as bad as Fake News CNN,” Trump wrote. “Sad!”
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The president criticized “fake news” on Monday, after NBC News cited anonymous White House sources about his Chief of Staff John Kelly.
“Fake News is going ‘bonkers!'” he wrote on Twitter.