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Chiefs/Titans wild card game

So bitter Omar. So much rage.

I don't see the P*ts losing next week. I really don't. And you thought the officiating was top-notch did ya?
 
wig said:
So bitter Omar. So much rage.

I don't see the P*ts losing next week. I really don't. And you thought the officiating was top-notch did ya?
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If the Chiefs gave up the biggest second lead in a playoff game since Detroit in 1957 then I don't think they'd be able to beat the Pats***** either.
 
madinsomniac said:
Officials didn't really decide the game but they were brutal...

For all the horrendous gaffes Jeff Trippette has made through the years one wonders how he continues to draw high profile games...
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It is easier to fix games when there is incompetent officiating involved............
 
wig said:
So bitter Omar. So much rage.

I don't see the P*ts losing next week. I really don't. And you thought the officiating was top-notch did ya?
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Of course not. Doesn't mean the game is fixed. And no rage at all, friend, just making sure I keep you properly supplied with a balanced perspective.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
If the Chiefs gave up the biggest second lead in a playoff game since Detroit in 1957 then I don't think they'd be able to beat the Pats***** either.
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The whole game flipped when Kelce was injured. Though I agree their defence wasnt what I thought. I guess with the reality that those guys were hurt it might as well be Tennesee. Im cheering for Buffalo now. We might as well get the easier divisional opponent now. Either way tge Pats are in the conference final.
 
Omar10213245 said:
It is easier to say things are fixed when things don't play out the way you'd like them to
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Yes, I would like to see a game played where the officiating does not lead one to believe that the hundreds of billions of betting dollars at stake play absolutely no part in determining the outcomes.

I am all for that.

Unfortunately I witnessed this.

https://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/16/steelers-chargers-chaos-rattles-vegas-strip/

Steelers-Chargers Chaos Rattles Las Vegas
BY ALAN SCHWARZ NOVEMBER 16, 2008 10:03 PM November 16, 2008 10:03 pm

So, you think the end of the Steelers-Chargers game Sunday was confusing for people watching at home? The folks in Las Vegas had it worse — far worse.

“It was chaos,” the prominent professional handicapper Ted Sevransky told me a few minutes after the dust finally cleared, audibly trying to catch his breath. “I’ve never seen anything like it.”

The closing line at most casinos was the Steelers by 4 1/2 points. So even when Pittsburgh’s field goal with 15 seconds left changed the score from 10-8 Chargers to 11-10 Steelers, the Chargers were still the winners in Las Vegas, on the betting front. Even a successful Hail Mary from San Diego on its one final play wouldn’t change the outcome of those wagers.

But then Philip Rivers threw to LaDainian Tomlinson, who lateraled to Chris Chambers, whose apparent lateral was tipped by Troy Polamalu — who ran it into the end zone for an apparent Pittsburgh touchdown. (Link to NFL.com video here — play begins at 3:46.) All of a sudden it was Steelers 17, Chargers 10. Pittsburgh had covered, 0:00 stood on the clock, and those with Steelers slips went completely berserk.

“I went downstairs and started smashing things,” Sevransky said. He had good reason — his top pick this week was to take the Chargers and the points, and his 100-or-so clients had just lost a bundle on one of the silliest, craziest, how-in-the-world-did-that-happenest bad beats of all time. Sevransky doesn’t disclose his own wagers, but for a professional handicapper like him, chances are it was in the $4,000 to $10,000 range.

“I took an old piece of pottery that was kind of sitting around and made pieces of it against the wall,” Sevransky said. (For the record, he owns.) But then, like everyone else in the pro betting community, Sevransky’s telephone and instant-messaging gizmos started flashing like the Las Vegas strip itself. Apparently that last play was being reviewed. Eyes refocused on the CBS game feed to find out what had happened, but for several minutes little help came. At one point, the referee signaled “touchdown,” only ripping open the wounds again.

A few minutes later, undoubtedly eager to cue up its “60 Minutes” exclusive with the two nobodies named Michelle and Barack Obama, CBS did briefly flash an 11-10 final for a few seconds. Jim Nantz and Phil Simms coughed out some hesitant words under their breath about how the play appeared to have been reversed. But when the network signed off and the “60 Minutes” stopwatch started ticking, confusion still reigned.

“I got a call from a friend of mine that was at the Santa Fe — nobody knew what to do,” Sevransky said of the Santa Fe Station hotel and casino in Las Vegas. “This stuff usually happens very quickly — people know the final score and go up to the window with their winning tickets. This time there was at least a 5-, maybe 10-minute delay for the final score to be posted. For that 10 minutes, you have hundreds and maybe thousands of people in sports books all over Vegas who don’t know if they won or lost — whether they’re eating tonight or not.”

ESPN.com was no help; fans clicking on the scoreboard there for those key few minutes found a 17-10 final posted, but an explanation underneath that the call had been reversed. Talk about having your betting slip and eating it, too.

In the end, word finally whooshed down Las Vegas Boulevard that, yes, the play was reversed — that one of the laterals was in fact an illegal forward pass, meaning the ball was dead at that point, regardless of what Polamalu decided to do with it afterward. The final score was 11-10, period, and only those who had Chargers slips could go to the window for their winnings.

“I can remember some crazy bad beats — when the final play changes things at the last second,” Sevransky said. “And this happens in the N.B.A. from time to time, when a final buzzer shot could get waved off and the final score changes. But after the game, a 10-minute gap trying to figure out what the actual score was? After the game had gone off the air with everyone waiting? I can’t think of a game like that.”

But wait, there’s more. After the game, the referee Scott Green said that Polamalu’s touchdown in fact should have counted, and Pittsburgh should have won, 17-10. But this matter is quite certainly closed with respect to wagering — the league will not change the score, and even if it did, sports books can’t get money back from Chargers bettors they’ve already paid. And they aren’t in the business of paying twice.

“When it comes to the bigger scheme of things, Pittsburgh wins either way,” Sevransky said. “It was irrelevant to the outcome. But to the outcome in Las Vegas, you’re never going to find more chaos.”

In the end, Sevransky’s customers were made whole. No word on the pottery.


End of Chargers-Steelers game a black eye for NFL

Posted by Anthony Stalter (11/17/2008 @ 6:00 pm)

Forget for a moment that gambling even exists. Take it out of the equation and focus on the reality of what transpired at the end of the Chargers-Steelers game, because it was a serious black eye for the National Football League.

By now, most of us know what happened, but I’ll set the scene again for those who have missed out on all the hoopla.

Down 11-10 with five seconds remaining in the fourth quarter, the Chargers took possession at the 21-yard line. There, quarterback Philip Rivers threw a forward pass to LaDainian Tomlinson, who then flipped the ball backwards to teammate Chris Chambers, who then tossed the ball backwards to another teammate, but Steelers’ safety Troy Polamalu intervened, knocked the ball out of the air and recovered it on the 11-yard line. From there, Polamalu returned the ball into the end zone, which referees signaled a touchdown. Pending review and an extra point, the Steelers should have won 18-10.

But that’s not what happened. Officials did review the play and determined that it was in fact a touchdown. However, after reconvening, they determined that one of the Chargers’ lateral passes (the one Tomlinson threw) was an illegal forward pass and therefore the touchdown didn’t count.

No harm no foul, right? The Steelers would have won the game regardless and everyone involved can rejoice at the fact that no game in the history of the NFL has ever ended with an 11-10 score.

But the call wasn’t right. Even if LT’s pass was deemed illegal, the ball never touched the ground and therefore the play continues. The result of the play was an illegal forward pass, which the Steelers would have declined, and the touchdown should have counted. Head official Scott Green even admitted after the game that he and his crew “misinterpreted” the rule and got it wrong.

People may disagree, but this blunder is just as bad as the Ed Hochuli game because it proves that the replay system in the NFL is broken. The most amazing thing about all of this is that the officials in the Chargers-Steelers game actually spent time getting the call wrong. What happened if the Steelers were down by one and something fluke like this happened and it cost them a win? Can we safely assume that the officials would have gotten the call right if a win was on the line? I can’t, certainly not after watching how the officials eventually handled the actual situation.

Now let’s reintroduce the gambling ramifications, because obviously that’s the main issue here.

An estimated $100 million was wagered worldwide on the game. And approximately 66% of those dollars were wagered on Steelers. Had the touchdown stood, bettors would have cashed in roughly $32 million, but because of the officials’ mistake, it turned out to be a $64 million swing in favor of the bookies.

Some people don’t like gambling because they think it’s stupid to wager your hard earned money on a game. That’s fair, but don’t forget that some people consider gambling as another form of entertainment, just like going to the movies. I might be comparing apples to oranges here, but if you took your family to the movies and only got to see half of it because the projector broke, then you’d want your money back right? The projector cost you your money and entertainment for the night and that’s not fair.

Well, a blown call cost people their money (and we’re talking about more dough than the average movie ticket) and entertainment and that’s not fair either. Again, that might not be the best example but you get the point.

Ed HochuliDon’t expect anything to be done about this though. Roger Goodell isn’t going to reverse the call just like he didn’t reverse the outcome of the Broncos-Chargers game that Hochuli blew. It was a mistake by the officials and I wouldn’t hold your breath hoping to get your money back.

But this is going to be more damaging to Goodell’s league than people think. I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but it’s certainly questionable that the Steelers were flagged 23 times to only twice for Chargers (one of those penalties was the infamous “illegal pass” call), and the end of the game resulted in a San Diego cover because they were 4 or 5-point underdogs at most major sports books.

People are justifiably outraged and calling for foul play. In the wake of what transpired in the NBA with Tim Donaghy, suspicions are being raised of the legitimacy of NFL officiating. With that much on the line, how can you blow a call after you first made the correct ruling, then reviewed it, then still made the correct ruling only to eventually make the incorrect ruling? It’s completely ridiculous and I don’t blame anybody if they think NFL games are fixed now.

For the record, I don’t think games are fixed and I certainly don’t think the end of the Chargers-Steelers game was some masterful plan to insure a San Diego cover. I think this was a massive mistake, but I highly doubt anyone got on the phone to the head ref to tell him to call the game a certain way. Too many jobs would be lost and I doubt it’s worth the risk.

But after watching everything play out, I can definitely see why people buy into conspiracy theories. And it’s too bad that this is mostly about gambling because the situation deserves to have some light shed on it. Instead, the mainstream media will bury the story because they want to remain hush-hush about the gambling world.

Even those who don’t bet and didn’t wager on the game witnessed an injustice. And maybe you didn’t lose money – maybe you lost a fantasy game or a football pool at work. Either way, what happened wasn’t right and the NFL is going to be the one that really pays in the end because it no doubt lost some fans due to this fiasco.

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What is interesting about the bolded above is that now we KNOW that there is someone communicating with the Head Ref TELLING him what the outcome of the play is.

His name is Al Riveron and he has an office in New York.
 
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Super Dave said:
Yes, I would like to see a game played where the officiating does not lead one to believe that the hundreds of billions of betting dollars at stake play absolutely no part in determining the outcomes.

I am all for that.

Unfortunately I witnessed this.

https://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/16/steelers-chargers-chaos-rattles-vegas-strip/

Steelers-Chargers Chaos Rattles Las Vegas
BY ALAN SCHWARZ NOVEMBER 16, 2008 10:03 PM November 16, 2008 10:03 pm

So, you think the end of the Steelers-Chargers game Sunday was confusing for people watching at home? The folks in Las Vegas had it worse — far worse.

“It was chaos,” the prominent professional handicapper Ted Sevransky told me a few minutes after the dust finally cleared, audibly trying to catch his breath. “I’ve never seen anything like it.”

The closing line at most casinos was the Steelers by 4 1/2 points. So even when Pittsburgh’s field goal with 15 seconds left changed the score from 10-8 Chargers to 11-10 Steelers, the Chargers were still the winners in Las Vegas, on the betting front. Even a successful Hail Mary from San Diego on its one final play wouldn’t change the outcome of those wagers.

But then Philip Rivers threw to LaDainian Tomlinson, who lateraled to Chris Chambers, whose apparent lateral was tipped by Troy Polamalu — who ran it into the end zone for an apparent Pittsburgh touchdown. (Link to NFL.com video here — play begins at 3:46.) All of a sudden it was Steelers 17, Chargers 10. Pittsburgh had covered, 0:00 stood on the clock, and those with Steelers slips went completely berserk.

“I went downstairs and started smashing things,” Sevransky said. He had good reason — his top pick this week was to take the Chargers and the points, and his 100-or-so clients had just lost a bundle on one of the silliest, craziest, how-in-the-world-did-that-happenest bad beats of all time. Sevransky doesn’t disclose his own wagers, but for a professional handicapper like him, chances are it was in the $4,000 to $10,000 range.

“I took an old piece of pottery that was kind of sitting around and made pieces of it against the wall,” Sevransky said. (For the record, he owns.) But then, like everyone else in the pro betting community, Sevransky’s telephone and instant-messaging gizmos started flashing like the Las Vegas strip itself. Apparently that last play was being reviewed. Eyes refocused on the CBS game feed to find out what had happened, but for several minutes little help came. At one point, the referee signaled “touchdown,” only ripping open the wounds again.

A few minutes later, undoubtedly eager to cue up its “60 Minutes” exclusive with the two nobodies named Michelle and Barack Obama, CBS did briefly flash an 11-10 final for a few seconds. Jim Nantz and Phil Simms coughed out some hesitant words under their breath about how the play appeared to have been reversed. But when the network signed off and the “60 Minutes” stopwatch started ticking, confusion still reigned.

“I got a call from a friend of mine that was at the Santa Fe — nobody knew what to do,” Sevransky said of the Santa Fe Station hotel and casino in Las Vegas. “This stuff usually happens very quickly — people know the final score and go up to the window with their winning tickets. This time there was at least a 5-, maybe 10-minute delay for the final score to be posted. For that 10 minutes, you have hundreds and maybe thousands of people in sports books all over Vegas who don’t know if they won or lost — whether they’re eating tonight or not.”

ESPN.com was no help; fans clicking on the scoreboard there for those key few minutes found a 17-10 final posted, but an explanation underneath that the call had been reversed. Talk about having your betting slip and eating it, too.

In the end, word finally whooshed down Las Vegas Boulevard that, yes, the play was reversed — that one of the laterals was in fact an illegal forward pass, meaning the ball was dead at that point, regardless of what Polamalu decided to do with it afterward. The final score was 11-10, period, and only those who had Chargers slips could go to the window for their winnings.

“I can remember some crazy bad beats — when the final play changes things at the last second,” Sevransky said. “And this happens in the N.B.A. from time to time, when a final buzzer shot could get waved off and the final score changes. But after the game, a 10-minute gap trying to figure out what the actual score was? After the game had gone off the air with everyone waiting? I can’t think of a game like that.”

But wait, there’s more. After the game, the referee Scott Green said that Polamalu’s touchdown in fact should have counted, and Pittsburgh should have won, 17-10. But this matter is quite certainly closed with respect to wagering — the league will not change the score, and even if it did, sports books can’t get money back from Chargers bettors they’ve already paid. And they aren’t in the business of paying twice.

“When it comes to the bigger scheme of things, Pittsburgh wins either way,” Sevransky said. “It was irrelevant to the outcome. But to the outcome in Las Vegas, you’re never going to find more chaos.”

In the end, Sevransky’s customers were made whole. No word on the pottery.


End of Chargers-Steelers game a black eye for NFL

Posted by Anthony Stalter (11/17/2008 @ 6:00 pm)

Forget for a moment that gambling even exists. Take it out of the equation and focus on the reality of what transpired at the end of the Chargers-Steelers game, because it was a serious black eye for the National Football League.

By now, most of us know what happened, but I’ll set the scene again for those who have missed out on all the hoopla.

Down 11-10 with five seconds remaining in the fourth quarter, the Chargers took possession at the 21-yard line. There, quarterback Philip Rivers threw a forward pass to LaDainian Tomlinson, who then flipped the ball backwards to teammate Chris Chambers, who then tossed the ball backwards to another teammate, but Steelers’ safety Troy Polamalu intervened, knocked the ball out of the air and recovered it on the 11-yard line. From there, Polamalu returned the ball into the end zone, which referees signaled a touchdown. Pending review and an extra point, the Steelers should have won 18-10.

But that’s not what happened. Officials did review the play and determined that it was in fact a touchdown. However, after reconvening, they determined that one of the Chargers’ lateral passes (the one Tomlinson threw) was an illegal forward pass and therefore the touchdown didn’t count.

No harm no foul, right? The Steelers would have won the game regardless and everyone involved can rejoice at the fact that no game in the history of the NFL has ever ended with an 11-10 score.

But the call wasn’t right. Even if LT’s pass was deemed illegal, the ball never touched the ground and therefore the play continues. The result of the play was an illegal forward pass, which the Steelers would have declined, and the touchdown should have counted. Head official Scott Green even admitted after the game that he and his crew “misinterpreted” the rule and got it wrong.

People may disagree, but this blunder is just as bad as the Ed Hochuli game because it proves that the replay system in the NFL is broken. The most amazing thing about all of this is that the officials in the Chargers-Steelers game actually spent time getting the call wrong. What happened if the Steelers were down by one and something fluke like this happened and it cost them a win? Can we safely assume that the officials would have gotten the call right if a win was on the line? I can’t, certainly not after watching how the officials eventually handled the actual situation.

Now let’s reintroduce the gambling ramifications, because obviously that’s the main issue here.

An estimated $100 million was wagered worldwide on the game. And approximately 66% of those dollars were wagered on Steelers. Had the touchdown stood, bettors would have cashed in roughly $32 million, but because of the officials’ mistake, it turned out to be a $64 million swing in favor of the bookies.

Some people don’t like gambling because they think it’s stupid to wager your hard earned money on a game. That’s fair, but don’t forget that some people consider gambling as another form of entertainment, just like going to the movies. I might be comparing apples to oranges here, but if you took your family to the movies and only got to see half of it because the projector broke, then you’d want your money back right? The projector cost you your money and entertainment for the night and that’s not fair.

Well, a blown call cost people their money (and we’re talking about more dough than the average movie ticket) and entertainment and that’s not fair either. Again, that might not be the best example but you get the point.

Ed HochuliDon’t expect anything to be done about this though. Roger Goodell isn’t going to reverse the call just like he didn’t reverse the outcome of the Broncos-Chargers game that Hochuli blew. It was a mistake by the officials and I wouldn’t hold your breath hoping to get your money back.

But this is going to be more damaging to Goodell’s league than people think. I’m not one for conspiracy theories, but it’s certainly questionable that the Steelers were flagged 23 times to only twice for Chargers (one of those penalties was the infamous “illegal pass” call), and the end of the game resulted in a San Diego cover because they were 4 or 5-point underdogs at most major sports books.

People are justifiably outraged and calling for foul play. In the wake of what transpired in the NBA with Tim Donaghy, suspicions are being raised of the legitimacy of NFL officiating. With that much on the line, how can you blow a call after you first made the correct ruling, then reviewed it, then still made the correct ruling only to eventually make the incorrect ruling? It’s completely ridiculous and I don’t blame anybody if they think NFL games are fixed now.

For the record, I don’t think games are fixed and I certainly don’t think the end of the Chargers-Steelers game was some masterful plan to insure a San Diego cover. I think this was a massive mistake, but I highly doubt anyone got on the phone to the head ref to tell him to call the game a certain way. Too many jobs would be lost and I doubt it’s worth the risk.

But after watching everything play out, I can definitely see why people buy into conspiracy theories. And it’s too bad that this is mostly about gambling because the situation deserves to have some light shed on it. Instead, the mainstream media will bury the story because they want to remain hush-hush about the gambling world.

Even those who don’t bet and didn’t wager on the game witnessed an injustice. And maybe you didn’t lose money – maybe you lost a fantasy game or a football pool at work. Either way, what happened wasn’t right and the NFL is going to be the one that really pays in the end because it no doubt lost some fans due to this fiasco.

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What is interesting about the bolded above is that now we KNOW that there is someone communicating with the Head Ref TELLING him what the outcome of the play is.

His name is Al Riveron and he has an office in New York.
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so you're holding onto a game from almost a decade ago? whatever helps you to rest your head on the pillow at night, i guess.
 
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Omar10213245 said:
so you're holding onto a game from almost a decade ago? whatever helps you to rest your head on the pillow at night, i guess.
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I sleep just fine......I have a My Pillow.

Those 6 super bowl victories were in the past and I cherish them still..........
 
SteelerSask said:
The whole game flipped when Kelce was injured. Though I agree their defence wasnt what I thought. I guess with the reality that those guys were hurt it might as well be Tennesee. Im cheering for Buffalo now. We might as well get the easier divisional opponent now. Either way tge Pats are in the conference final.
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Had the Chiefs won, it would have been interesting to see if the league saw to it that Kelce was still in concussion protocol for the Pats***** game.
 
Turtle ball plus loss of your best receiver = Loss. I hope Tomlin and Haley were watching!
 
Coach said:
Turtle ball plus loss of your best receiver = Loss. I hope Tomlin and Haley were watching!
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I'm sure they were but doubt that they learned anything. Regardless, if they lose to LeBeau's defense then they ******* deserve to lose.
 
I never pity or feel bad for any fanbase, screw em...but man for the first time I feel it, those poor Chiefs fans.

How often does a QB catch his own pass for a TD?

This a game the Chiefs should never have lost.
 
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I live in Chiefs country, and I am curious to see how many "fans" will be wearing their red and gold to work on Monday. The Chiefs pissed that game away, but I am happy for LeBeau.

Why wasn't that Titan flagged for helmet to helmet on Kelce? For the record- I think Kelce is a loudmouth douchebag. I won't say he deserved to get hit like that, but.....
 
Ron Burgundy said:
I'm sure they were but doubt that they learned anything. Regardless, if they lose to LeBeau's defense then they ******* deserve to lose.
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Don't the Cheats get the **** and the Jag offs come to Pittsburgh?
 
Steelerlyn said:
Why wasn't that Titan flagged for helmet to helmet on Kelce? For the record- I think Kelce is a loudmouth douchebag. I won't say he deserved to get hit like that, but.....
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Because Kelce was a runner by the time he was hit. there is no helmet to helmet when you are a runner.
 
Big Ben Rules said:
Not if the Bills upset the Jags. which I think is going to happen.
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nah mane yinz upsets were yesterday

today is the favorites towing the line


write it down
 
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