Will Todd Haley and Mike Tomlin put Chris Boswell in the Pro-Bowl?

[Stryker]

Ben not calling the TO also compounds the problem, since a timeout HAD to be called anyway to get a FG. It was the endzone closest to me. I'm screaming TO, and Ben is just looking at Bell and doing nothing. Manning, Brady, Rogers, hell even Daulton wouldn't do nothing in that situation. But it's something I've learned to live with having Ben as our QB.

 

[antdrewjosh]

You see everything Tomlin does something foolish, a select few have to blame Ben. Can't anyone call a time out? So its not all on Ben. If you saw the action on the sideline, it was a coaching call. Ben was pissed.

Unless you think Ben should go rouge and ignore these two bad clock managers ( maybe he should ) he ran the play that was called.

The play call wasnt the main issue not getting the TO in was. And the closest person to a ref apparently from someone at the game was Ben. He has the best vantage point to see the play was not going to score. So again why wasnt he also trying to get the TO called

 

[Coach]

What does any of that have to do with what Cope said he saw at the game?? Telling the ref doesnt mean **** you still have to call timeout. And again and im not trying to absolve Tomlin here but the closet person to a ref is Ben why couldnt he call TO

Well Ben has the radio link in the helmet A good question for Tomlin will be did you ask for the time out with Ben or not? I find it hard to believe that Ben would not call the time out if requested. But they ran it, and the clock and ref's were watching the players.

Bottom line, Tomlin once again mis-managed the clock, and it cost us 2 passes in the end zone.

 

[Coach]

The play call wasnt the main issue not getting the To in was. And the closest person to a ref apparently from someone at the game was Ben. He has the best vantage point to see the play was not going to score. So again why wasnt he also trying to get the TO called

WRONG, the play call was at the heart of the issue.

 

[antdrewjosh]

That makes no sense Ben is a 14 year Vet. As Cope said he doesnt have to be told to take a TO.

 

[Stryker]

Well if that is true, Tomlin should have know not to gamble many seconds. I have seen coaches get in a ref's ear before saying the next play will be a time out.

Show me please if this is forbidden in the rules.

You show me where you can predetermine a play outcome to get a timeout. You are not allowed to call a timeout until AFTER a play is run. Never before a play.

It's just you not understanding the game or it's rules.

And it would be easier to find the rule where you are allowed to call a timeout before a play is run. I'll save you the trouble, you won't find it.....in any sport

 

[Stryker]

You see everything Tomlin does something foolish, a select few have to blame Ben. Can't anyone call a time out? So its not all on Ben. If you saw the action on the sideline, it was a coaching call. Ben was pissed.

Unless you think Ben should go rouge and ignore these two bad clock managers ( maybe he should ) he ran the play that was called.

Anyone can call timeout. Ben is the QB, he was not being tackled on the play or engaging on a block, or on the ground. It would have been most efficient for him to be the person to get in the ref's face to call the TO. Iike I said, HOF QBs do not make that mistake ever. Ben does.

 

[antdrewjosh]

WRONG, the play call was at the heart of the issue.

Not really cause i believe the defense also knows you have to throw quick and will play accordingly. So they could have gotten a run and a quick throw in if the TO was taken correctly

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

WRONG, the play call was at the heart of the issue.

Youre a ******* idiot

 

[Ike Kelly]

WRONG, the play call was at the heart of the issue.

The heart of the issue is you can't see the forest for the trees in anything football related.


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[Coach]

The heart of the issue is you can't see the forest for the trees in anything football related.


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Here's what Ben said. At best Haley confused him.

“We had a pass play called and we had a really good look and then I’m not sure what happened,” Roethlisberger started to explain. “The timeout, or something happened, and then we changed the play because we had a timeout. And Todd [Haley] was just telling me that we have a timeout so lets change the play. And I’m a little frustrated with that because I don’t think that’s the time and the place for that. You’ve got 7 seconds, I believe it was 7 or 8, whatever it was, with a timeout. That’s at least two shots at the end zone, but we run the plays that are called."

PS: Its becoming pretty sad watching you defend stupidity, and this call was exactly that.

 

[Ike Kelly]

Anyone can call timeout. Ben is the QB, he was not being tackled on the play or engaging on a block, or on the ground. It would have been most efficient for him to be the person to get in the ref's face to call the TO. Iike I said, HOF QBs do not make that mistake ever. Ben does.

Spot on....the QB is the leader when he is on the field. Call a TO after the whistle, you have two plays left. One more shot for the EZ and FG. No different than spiking the ball. Being situationally aware is paramount.

MT was, but the side judge wasn't. I love Ben, but he wasn't either, REGARDLESS of the play call.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Here's what Ben said. At best Haley confused him.

“We had a pass play called and we had a really good look and then I’m not sure what happened,” Roethlisberger started to explain. “The timeout, or something happened, and then we changed the play because we had a timeout. And Todd [Haley] was just telling me that we have a timeout so lets change the play. And I’m a little frustrated with that because I don’t think that’s the time and the place for that. You’ve got 7 seconds, I believe it was 7 or 8, whatever it was, with a timeout. That’s at least two shots at the end zone, but we run the plays that are called."

PS: Its becoming pretty sad watching you defend stupidity, and this call was exactly that.

So if you didnt like the play call and you were worried about time why werent you standing next to the ref to get the TO in?

 

[Coach]

So if you didnt like the play call and you were worried about time why werent you standing next to the ref to get the TO in?

Why didn't Tomlin get the ref's attention and call the time out? Why did Haley change the play to a stupid run?

Can't any Steeler on the field also call a time out? Ben is but 1 of 11 on the field and all I see is a select few trying to blame him for coaching stupidity.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Cope just told you he was trying. Cope just told you that the new NFL rule is coaches have to stay in the box this year or its a penalty. The QB usually can signal it quicker then anyone in this situation because there is a ref standing right behind him.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Cope just told you he was trying. Cope just told you that the new NFL rule is coaches have to stay in the box this year or its a penalty. The QB usually can signal it quicker then anyone in this situation because there is a ref standing right behind him.

Coach is obviously a "Coach" So im Sure he knows all this. Stop defending stupidity!

 

[Stryker]

Cope just told you he was trying. Cope just told you that the new NFL rule is coaches have to stay in the box this year or its a penalty. The QB usually can signal it quicker then anyone in this situation because there is a ref standing right behind him.

Coach doesn't like my answers, because he can't muddy the waters with them...

 

[mightyguru]

I just hope we ditch Haley anytime soon. He probably stays until Ben retires, but I'm sick of the 0IQ on situational football moments. Either he doesn't know or doesn't care....so it's time for him to go.

 

[t-man]

Uh, do we know when the runner was whistled down? It seems to me they may have been letting the clock run looking at foward progress. You can't call a timeout till the play is whistled dead, and that's something that isn't being discussed here, I watched the replay, and Romo starts yapping about there being 7 seconds left, but the runner is still pushing forward at that point, I'm not saying he did it for 3 or 4 more seconds, but he def wasn't stopped when there were 7 or 8 left. I'm thinking that's what the ref was telling Tomlin.

All that being said, there is no ******* way I call that play, it was a stupid playcall, and yet another example of an NFL OC outsmarting themselves trying to outguess a DC. So you have a ******* timeout, so what? Throw the ******* ball, and use the timeout if you end up with a sack, you ******* nubmut.

Joe

 

[ark steel]

That makes no sense Ben is a 14 year Vet. As Cope said he doesnt have to be told to take a TO.

How many QB's do you see calling a TO in that situation? Just about all of them.

It may have been that Ben expected Tomlin to get it called and Tomlin expected Ben to do it. it doesn't have to be that one of them (you know, Tomlin) is an idiot. In order for Tomlin to do it a ref has to see him. Typically, a ref is looking at the coach at that time because they know it is coming. I always thought they could look at the tape to confirm when the TO was called to get the clock set, but they did not.

I wouldn't have called that play either, but I don't scream about how predictable every play is either.

 

[Ike Kelly]

What we all want to know is.....why didn't Coach (our affable board clown) call the time out?

 

[Stryker]

Cope just told you he was trying. Cope just told you that the new NFL rule is coaches have to stay in the box this year or its a penalty. The QB usually can signal it quicker then anyone in this situation because there is a ref standing right behind him.

And to be clear, it's not a new rule, it's an old one. There is a sideline box that all coaches and players must remain in during the game. I don't remember if it's between the 20s or 30s, but it's clearly marked on the sideline.

Being outside of that box is a Delay of game penalty at best, and a personal foul at worst. Both, being a foul while the offense was on the field, would have been a 10sec runoff and would have ended the half with no points.

So fabricating impossible situations that would leave you with no points is not a sound way to make arguments...

 

[Stryker]

I'm rewatching the game. It looks like the box is between the 25s.

 

[Coach]

Uh, do we know when the runner was whistled down? It seems to me they may have been letting the clock run looking at foward progress. You can't call a timeout till the play is whistled dead, and that's something that isn't being discussed here, I watched the replay, and Romo starts yapping about there being 7 seconds left, but the runner is still pushing forward at that point, I'm not saying he did it for 3 or 4 more seconds, but he def wasn't stopped when there were 7 or 8 left. I'm thinking that's what the ref was telling Tomlin.

All that being said, there is no ******* way I call that play, it was a stupid playcall, and yet another example of an NFL OC outsmarting themselves trying to outguess a DC. So you have a ******* timeout, so what? Throw the ******* ball, and use the timeout if you end up with a sack, you ******* nubmut.

Joe

^^^THIS.

But some will try to pin or suggest the blame is on 1 of 11 players on the field and not the two air heads on the sidelines.

 

[Stryker]

Uh, do we know when the runner was whistled down? It seems to me they may have been letting the clock run looking at foward progress. You can't call a timeout till the play is whistled dead, and that's something that isn't being discussed here, I watched the replay, and Romo starts yapping about there being 7 seconds left, but the runner is still pushing forward at that point, I'm not saying he did it for 3 or 4 more seconds, but he def wasn't stopped when there were 7 or 8 left. I'm thinking that's what the ref was telling Tomlin.

All that being said, there is no ******* way I call that play, it was a stupid playcall, and yet another example of an NFL OC outsmarting themselves trying to outguess a DC. So you have a ******* timeout, so what? Throw the ******* ball, and use the timeout if you end up with a sack, you ******* nubmut.

Joe

I just rewatched the game Joe. On that play he is tackled in a pile with no movement at 8sec. 7 sec should have where the clock stopped (conservatively) Had the refs noticed a TO, or Ben called one.