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Coryea said:
Yeah true, the Tampa 2 the CBs jam the wr, then fall back into a zone, and the LBs fall back into a zone as well, so I guess jamming the WR's would've been a legit tampa 2. We still had our best pass rushers in coverage most of the game
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That's the issue, Tom. I'd actually welcome some cover 2 in the Steelers defense, but that isn't what they do.

The Steelers sit back with both CBs and a safety deep, asking the other safety and the linebackers to cover the WRs on the underneath stuff and the Patriots eat that up.

The Steelers never learn in that regard.
 
I'd suggest we consider one of those DC's that shut down the Pat's and Brady with their game plans and adjustment's this season.
 
Film Room: Brady Burns Steelers On The Blitz


BY MATTHEW MARCZI JANUARY 28, 2017 AT 07:00 AM



An awful lot of people have put forth an awful lot of opinions over the course of the past several days in explaining what the Pittsburgh Steelers should have done in order to beat the Patriots in the AFC Championship game.

The assumption that each suggestion takes is believing that the Steelers didn’t attempt to do these things. The reality is often that they tried to do these things and failed. I wrote earlier in the week that the coaching staff’s choice to shy away from man coverage through much of the game was a result of them getting burned when they tried it.

The defense also got burned when they tried to blitz Tom Brady. You can probably safely wager that their inability to find success getting through on the blitz had something to do with the fact that they didn’t try to do it too often during the game. They rather often favored dropping an extra player into coverage.

The Steelers tried to blitz Lawrence Timmons through the right-side B Gap early in the game on the opening drive. They shifted their three players to his right in that direction in the hopes of drawing the offensive linemen in that direction to create a gap in the protection. While they did accomplish that, it quickly closed and Brady fired the ball out very quickly for an easy five-yard gain.






Things only got worse for them in their efforts to get after the quarterback with extra rushers later in the first quarter. The Steelers tried to blitz on third down with the Patriots sitting on their 16-yard line. It did not work as planned. This time they sent both of their inside linebackers through the middle lanes in one of their staple blitzes. New England’s line picked it up well-credit to the running back—and Brady rolled out to hit Chris Hogan for a touchdown.



That was the lowlight of the game for me. But the futility of the Steelers’ blitz attempts did not relent there. They sent Mike Mitchell on a blitz off the edge early in the second quarter only to see him get picked up by the back. Brady once again rolled out of the pocket and found Hogan for another big play.



The Patriots converted a third and long late in the third quarter against a blitz from Ryan Shazier. It looked as though Sean Davis would come as well from a deep set until the running back moved out of the backfield. These pressure packages simply took too long to develop in order to threaten Brady.



That, or he already knew it was coming and thus knew to get the ball out quickly. The only times that they really got to him throughout the game were when the interior defenders were able to get pressure up the middle. Thank you, Javon Hargrave

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2017/01/film-room-brady-burns-steelers-blitz/
 
antdrewjosh said:
Film Room: Brady Burns Steelers On The Blitz


BY MATTHEW MARCZI JANUARY 28, 2017 AT 07:00 AM



An awful lot of people have put forth an awful lot of opinions over the course of the past several days in explaining what the Pittsburgh Steelers should have done in order to beat the Patriots in the AFC Championship game.

The assumption that each suggestion takes is believing that the Steelers didn’t attempt to do these things. The reality is often that they tried to do these things and failed. I wrote earlier in the week that the coaching staff’s choice to shy away from man coverage through much of the game was a result of them getting burned when they tried it.

The defense also got burned when they tried to blitz Tom Brady. You can probably safely wager that their inability to find success getting through on the blitz had something to do with the fact that they didn’t try to do it too often during the game. They rather often favored dropping an extra player into coverage.

The Steelers tried to blitz Lawrence Timmons through the right-side B Gap early in the game on the opening drive. They shifted their three players to his right in that direction in the hopes of drawing the offensive linemen in that direction to create a gap in the protection. While they did accomplish that, it quickly closed and Brady fired the ball out very quickly for an easy five-yard gain.






Things only got worse for them in their efforts to get after the quarterback with extra rushers later in the first quarter. The Steelers tried to blitz on third down with the Patriots sitting on their 16-yard line. It did not work as planned. This time they sent both of their inside linebackers through the middle lanes in one of their staple blitzes. New England’s line picked it up well-credit to the running back—and Brady rolled out to hit Chris Hogan for a touchdown.



That was the lowlight of the game for me. But the futility of the Steelers’ blitz attempts did not relent there. They sent Mike Mitchell on a blitz off the edge early in the second quarter only to see him get picked up by the back. Brady once again rolled out of the pocket and found Hogan for another big play.



The Patriots converted a third and long late in the third quarter against a blitz from Ryan Shazier. It looked as though Sean Davis would come as well from a deep set until the running back moved out of the backfield. These pressure packages simply took too long to develop in order to threaten Brady.



That, or he already knew it was coming and thus knew to get the ball out quickly. The only times that they really got to him throughout the game were when the interior defenders were able to get pressure up the middle. Thank you, Javon Hargrave

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2017/01/film-room-brady-burns-steelers-blitz/
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in other words, it's time to give someone else a chance to lead our defense.
 
And the team they have problems don't need a scheme to beat them just get pressure with their front 4 and the occasional blitz

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I believe Dulac wrote that the Steelers attempted man coverage only three times in the game, and I do not recall any of the Patriots big plays being against man defense. On the plays highlighted in the article, the receivers were still afforded free releases off the line. I read it suggested that they were so reluctant to man up on the Patriots receivers, even as the game was slipping away, because they did not practice it during the week.

Regarding the lack of pressure on Brady, a lot of that could be attributable to how often Harrison and Dupree were in coverage.

It seems like every time the Steelers face the Patriots, the Patriots are able to draw up formations and motions that force the Steelers OLBs into coverage, negating the pass rush, and the Steelers never adjust to it.
 
Hines57 said:
I have no issue with our coaches. I DO have issue with the gameplan they implemented v NE Sunday night. Common sense says let them beat us man v man v tearing up a soft zone with no pressure.
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I like the coaching staff, but I think it could be better. Look at some of the moves made to the offensive staff and the improvement we saw. Arians wasn't getting the job done so they bring in Haley and the offense improved and sacks went down. With so many high draft picks, the offensive line was underachieving and they bring in Munchak who promptly develops one of the top units in the league. Saxton and Mann have both done good work with the backs and receivers.

Defensively, we have a lot invested. The defensive line under Mitchell has done a good job. Heyward and Tuitt are excellent and look at what Hargrave did as a small school rookie. Even the unheralded backups have probably overachieved. Our inside linebackers have developed nicely, but we've had problems at outside linebacker. The secondary has been up and down under Lake. I'm actually wondering if it'd be worthwhile to have a safeties coach and a cornerbacks coach on staff.

Punxsutawney said:
Regarding the lack of pressure on Brady, a lot of that could be attributable to how often Harrison and Dupree were in coverage.

It seems like every time the Steelers face the Patriots, the Patriots are able to draw up formations and motions that force the Steelers OLBs into coverage, negating the pass rush, and the Steelers never adjust to it.
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New England did an excellent job putting Harrison in a position where he'd be neutralized or even considered a weakness. He stood no chance out in coverage.
 
Punxsutawney said:
I believe Dulac wrote that the Steelers attempted man coverage only three times in the game, and I do not recall any of the Patriots big plays being against man defense. On the plays highlighted in the article, the receivers were still afforded free releases off the line. I read it suggested that they were so reluctant to man up on the Patriots receivers, even as the game was slipping away, because they did not practice it during the week.

Regarding the lack of pressure on Brady, a lot of that could be attributable to how often Harrison and Dupree were in coverage.

It seems like every time the Steelers face the Patriots, the Patriots are able to draw up formations and motions that force the Steelers OLBs into coverage, negating the pass rush, and the Steelers never adjust to it.
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But when they weren't in coverage they also had zero sacks. History also shows it's tough to sack Brady from the outside.
 
Butler is not going anywhere folks..

Overall...I thought he did a nice job improving the D this season..

Cant judge his year on one game,..
 
antdrewjosh said:
Another one. SMH. Relax these nuts in your mouth

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LeXX75 said:
They are scared of Brady ..they would rather the slow painful death instead of going after him. There is no doubt just about everyone here would rather that quick death at least if we die we die with guns a blaze
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Death by paperbut crushes this defense
 
skialta said:
Death by paperbut crushes this defense
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Every Single TIME! Bad crappy qbs move the ball up and down the field on us like they're Joe ******* Montana. Good qbs put them into the end zone with ease. We've been running the same bullshit for more years than I can recall. Nothing ever changes .Nothing ever adapts or overcomes anything. Getting beat by a bunch of scrubs over and over again gets old. This teams major offseason focus should be stopping the west coast style offense. You're not going to do that playing 10 yards off ever. Prevent defense as a base sucks balls and will fail when it matters most.
 
Punxsutawney said:
I believe Dulac wrote that the Steelers attempted man coverage only three times in the game, and I do not recall any of the Patriots big plays being against man defense. On the plays highlighted in the article, the receivers were still afforded free releases off the line. I read it suggested that they were so reluctant to man up on the Patriots receivers, even as the game was slipping away, because they did not practice it during the week.

Regarding the lack of pressure on Brady, a lot of that could be attributable to how often Harrison and Dupree were in coverage.

It seems like every time the Steelers face the Patriots, the Patriots are able to draw up formations and motions that force the Steelers OLBs into coverage, negating the pass rush, and the Steelers never adjust to it.
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Everytime they blitzed they gave up big plays

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Steelr4evr said:
Every Single TIME! Bad crappy qbs move the ball up and down the field on us like they're Joe ******* Montana. Good qbs put them into the end zone with ease. We've been running the same bullshit for more years than I can recall. Nothing ever changes .Nothing ever adapts or overcomes anything. Getting beat by a bunch of scrubs over and over again gets old. This teams major offseason focus should be stopping the west coast style offense. You're not going to do that playing 10 yards off ever. Prevent defense as a base sucks balls and will fail when it matters most.
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Agreed. The Steelers defense is not aggressive against the pass. Going back historically, they've always been bad against the pass, save for the few seasons the team had Taylor, Clark, Polamalu in their prime. The current set of DB's are not at that level yet, but I'd like to believe they can play physical at the line
 
MTC said:
Agreed. The Steelers defense is not aggressive against the pass. Going back historically, they've always been bad against the pass, save for the few seasons the team had Taylor, Clark, Polamalu in their prime. The current set of DB's are not at that level yet, but I'd like to believe they can play physical at the line
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The STEELERS organization knows it is a "offense" league. They have the offense for it and have built it over time. NOW I'm hoping they get the "D" to be near that competence. They're very close but I think to finish it out the scheme will need to be changed. I think OUR current DC has been groomed to long in the same system. If Butler stays and proves me wrong then I'll be first to admit it and believe me I PrAY for improvement regardless if he stays or not.



Salute the nation
 
Nothing but great things came come from strengthening the trenches. An intimidating D-line improves every position behind it. We should try to sign a veteran WR in free agency. Then I am for taking two D - lineman in the first 4 rounds. CB and OLBer should round out the rest of the first 4 picks.
 
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6Rings said:
Nothing but great things came come from strengthening the trenches. An intimidating D-line improves every position behind it. We should try to sign a veteran WR in free agency. Then I am for taking two D - lineman in the first 4 rounds. I also would not mind an O - line pick in the first 4 rounds. Build a wall on both sides of the ball.
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You have Hargrave,Tuitt,and Heyward. I could see one DT/DE type. But past that there is greater needs that need upgrading and would receive playing time as a result.

OLB
CB
TE
vet WR is a solid idea .... but probably won't happen..........
 
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Film Room: Secondary Miscues A Prime Cause Of Big Plays



BY*MATTHEW MARCZI*JANUARY 29, 2017 AT 06:20 AM


Breaking news: a lot of things went wrong for the*Pittsburgh Steelers’ defense on Sunday against the Patriots in their embarrassing loss in the AFC Championship game. They missed tackles. They played in soft coverages. They couldn’t get after the passer. But perhaps the most frustrating issue of all was their frequent plain-and-simple lapses in coverage.

There was unfortunately any number of examples of the Steelers making mistakes in coverage to choose from. Consider this session a sampling of the various things that went wrong. And as always, take the specific nature of each fault with a grain of salt, as the specific assignment is not always known or obvious. But it is obvious enough to see when mistakes are made.

The first play we’ll look at takes place in the latter stages of the first quarter. The Patriots lined up in a run look with a fullback in the backfield and two wide receivers split to the left before one motioned to the other side of the field.

Artie Burns*was in coverage on*Chris Hogan*on the left side playing off the ball. Then*Tom Brady*called an audible and the running back and fullback each flanked to either direction for a five-wide look, and the defense struggled to respond. Burns moved outside to cover*LeGarrette Blount*and*James Harrison*came out of his stance to line up over Hogan. Harrison then looked like he wanted to shift his coverage over to Blount, assuming Burns would kick inside to cover Hogan. That did not work out.




That would not be the last time on that drive that the Steelers would let Hogan go. The next time ended in an easy touchdown after the blitz failed to get home. The Patriots showed a four-receiver set with three out to the right, Hogan toward the sideline. Their zone dropping left only*Ross Cockrell*to cover the two outside receivers as*Robert Golden*tried to pick up the slot receiver coming over the middle. Cockrell was forced to release Hogan into the end zone hoping that the deep safety would pick him up.



The Patriots split three receivers out to the left approaching midfield midway through the second quarter. The three defensive backs in the area—two of them rookies—could not coordinate on their assignments and left Hogan open in the flat.



The following play was a real dagger that showed a proper lack of planning. The Patriots attempted a flea-flicker earlier in the year. The Steelers should have been prepared to see it.*Mike Mitchell*bit hard on the run anyway despite the fact that the defense was handling the ground game. Hogan had himself another big play as a result.



Brady got the ball out to*James Develin*in the second half after he motioned the fullback out wide. The play bears resemblance to the first one as Burns and Harrison failed to get coordinated. Burns thought that Harrison was dropping to take the fullback, which resulted in him being left open for a nice little gain.



Many wondered during and after the game how the Steelers could allow a player like Chris Hogan to beat them so badly. The real answer is that they allowed them to beat themselves. You might notice that most of these mistakes involved rookies or injury substitutions. Brady picked them out and struck.



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yeah read that this morning.

I am sure Burns will learn from his mistakes.

I think he will continue to improve...........
 
antdrewjosh said:
Everytime they blitzed they gave up big plays

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I'm not disputing that, but if you noticed on the blitzes Steelers Depot showed, the Steelers were playing zone behind them, and on two of three of them both Harrison and Dupree were in coverage. To me, if you want to maximize the chances of a blitz being successful, you should probably have at least one of your best pass rushers as part of it.

Plus, half of those technically were not blitzes, as there were only four defenders going after Brady.

It just seemed like Tomlin and Butler game planned to sacrifice pressure for coverage, as that was probably the most three man rushes they've used since the first month of the season.
 
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