Is a good backup really that hard to find?

[Fiji Mariner]

So far of Cutler (will get too much $), RG3 (ugh) and Romo (injury prone and too much cash) I'd pass on all 3 of those...these options are making a Jones contract renewal look better rather than worse (and not saying LJ should be renewed or is the answer).

I've been checking out the options which leads me back to a good backup is hard to find, especially when teams with cap space lack a legit starter.

Right now I'm leaning towards Mettenberger and a 4-5 range draft pick as our backup options, competing with LJ (if resigned) next year.

 

[Drink IRON City]

If Tony **** is cut and can't find another starting gig. I would be his huckleberry

GOOD point but I'd think to much money involved ??? Maybe not so if affordable why the hell not. Just a back up role and we keep active on Ben's replacement in about 3-5 years.



Salute the nation

 

[antdrewjosh]

That's right, they are. What the **** does that mean, exactly? What it means is that if Ben is off, or allows the offense to go into lulls, they don't win. They won't win, not with this defense. What, because Ben is the offense that is supposed to be excused? He is above reproach? It isn't any ****** secret that as Ben goes this team goes. So don't be throwing long down the sideline on 3rd and short to a guy who has his fingers broke and can't catch a cold in a situation that really calls for you to just get the 1st.

Look in the mirror for dumbass, bud. If this team goes as Ben goes, and he wants that responsibility, which he certainly seems to, he cannot have lulls. He just can't. Would I prefer that not be the case? I would certainly prefer that if he would be off the defense could carry the load or they could just run the ball up someone's ***. But hey, **** in one hand and wish in the other right now.

He is allowed to have his lulls but not trends and playing poorly on the road had become a trend not a lull. But I know if he is playing bad its the play calling

 

[diver]

How it is... k


The O far too often has to bail out the D. Ben can have his hickups here and there, and with a average D or better they will still be in a position to do damage to seeding in regards to the playoffs.


Plus I also know that the number two WR and injuries haven't done Ben any favors.


So now can they constantly win. With better coaching, and better decision making in the off-season. (free agency) Not only do I think they can constantly win at a high percentage, but they can overcome the occasional lapse.

Look, I think Ben is great. All I am saying is with the way this team is constituted, he cannot have lulls. They can't afford it. He has to be damn near perfect. Is that too much to ask? Probably, but that's the way it is. The long pass to the sideline to a guy who can't catch is an example of that. I am all for taking chances, but ****, when a guy jumps out of an airplane, he is taking a chance, but he has a parachute. Throwing to Sammie Coates right now is equivalent to a guy that jumps out without a chute. You can't do that at present. Obviously I exaggerate to clarify, but you get the point.

 

[slashsteel]

Look, I think Ben is great. All I am saying is with the way this team is constituted, he cannot have lulls. They can't afford it. He has to be damn near perfect. Is that too much to ask? Probably, but that's the way it is. The long pass to the sideline to a guy who can't catch is an example of that. I am all for taking chances, but ****, when a guy jumps out of an airplane, he is taking a chance, but he has a parachute. Throwing to Sammie Coates right now is equivalent to a guy that jumps out without a chute. You can't do that at present. Obviously I exaggerate to clarify, but you get the point.

who is responsible for Coates being on the field when he should only be on STs if that? until healthy
who signs off on any team decision and has the power to override D or O playcalling?
who is responsible for any trend on this team in fixing the bad ones and maintaining the good ones?


Holmgren worked wonders for Brett, he curtailed some of those INTs. Then after his depart his INT trended higher.



Sorry we can point fingers at one individual.


But we know when the individuals are this that the other and then some


it always will point back to who is guiding the ship through rocky waters..........

 

[antdrewjosh]

Coates still has to be on the field. His presence has to be accounted for by the defense.

 

[slashsteel]

Coates still has to be in the field. His presence has to be accounted for by the defense.

sure I bet they are just shaking in their boots with all of his dropped balls and mistimed routes.

Your statement would be more true if his finger wasn't hindering him.


But you take away a finger from a football player that is prone to drops before his injury and force him onto the field, isn't smart football..........

 

[antdrewjosh]

Then defenses should leave him open. And what mistimed routes?? You play him for the exact same reason I said his presence has to be accounted for. What other reason would they play him if it didnt benefit the offense in some way? Oh that right the coaches are dumbasses never mind..

 

[diver]

who is responsible for Coates being on the field when he should only be on STs if that? until healthy
who signs off on any team decision and has the power to override D or O playcalling?
who is responsible for any trend on this team in fixing the bad ones and maintaining the good ones?


Holmgren worked wonders for Brett, he curtailed some of those INTs. Then after his depart his INT trended higher.



Sorry we can point fingers at one individual.


But we know when the individuals are this that the other and then some


it always will point back to who is guiding the ship through rocky waters..........

And none of that I really disagree with. But after saying you want to deal with things the way they are, you proceed to deal with things as they way they ought to be. And the way things are is that Ben has to be damn near perfect in play and decision making.

 

[slashsteel]

Then defenses should leave him open. And what mistimed routes?? You play him for the exact same reason I said his presence has to be accounted for. What other reason would they play him if it didnt benefit the offense in some way? Oh that right the coaches are dumbasses never mind..

Yes the coaches are dumb-***** but let us focus on topic.

Mistimed routes as he doesn't seem to be in the right place and or isn't getting open as he was. Perhaps his hands are failing him on jams and it slows the separation. But if you can't see his ineffectiveness right now I don't know what to tell you. Label it what you want the reason for his ineffectiveness, but the fact remains he hasn't been just that.... effective.

 

[antdrewjosh]

He is only running deep routed except the one against Cleveland on the sideline. So what mistimed route are you referring too?? And yes he has been ineffective but thats not the point he still has to play because with out Bey they don't have a field stretcher. Someone who will keep the Safeties honest. He has to play for that reason alone.. His presence helps the offense. That's why the dumbass coaches keep playing him

 

[slashsteel]

He is only running deep routed except the one against Cleveland on the sideline. So what mistimed route are you referring too?? And yes he has been ineffective but thats not the point he still has to play because with out Bey they don't have a field stretcher. Someone who will keep the Safeties honest. He has to play for that reason alone.. His presence helps the offense. That's why the dumbass coaches keep playing him

The guy has zero receptions in a ******* month, zero.

He is doing absolutely nothing on the field that is productive.

I personally like Coates, but it is obvious he isn't back to where he was yet.

I am saying just sit him until we see even a fraction of what he was....

 

[antdrewjosh]

The guy has zero receptions in a ******* month, zero.

He is doing absolutely nothing on the field that is productive.

I personally like Coates, but it is obvious he isn't back to where he was yet.

I am saying just sit him until we see even a fraction of what he was....

He doesnt have to catch the ball to have a impact on the game. That's really not hard to understand. If he goes deep and keeps the safety in the middle of the field for a half a second longer then he should allowing someone else like Brown or Rogers to come open he is doing his job. And if he is out there you have to throw it up to him to keep defenses honest. If they were getting the same effect from Hamilton or had Bey or Wheaton available maybe he could sit. And as you could see they rent really using him where he has to catch bullet passes from Ben. Mostly bombs because they are easier on his hand to catch. Which is why he is still in kickoffs. Alot easier to catch then Ben fastballs.

 

[slashsteel]

He doesnt have to catch the ball to have a impact on the game. That's really not hard to understand. If he goes deep and keeps the safety in the middle of the field for a half a second longer then he should allowing someone else like Brown or Rogers to come open he is doing his job. And if he is out there you have to throw it up to him to keep defenses honest. If they were getting the same effect from Hamilton or had Bey or Wheaton available maybe he could sit.

Really hard not to understand, you should want production over a decoy. As that decoy is being a drive killer not a drive thriller.


Keeping Ds honest is he? Antonio is being doubled and even triple teamed. Other players are the ones helping Ben move the chains.

Only thing Coates is doing right now is screwing up the flow of the game,

 

[antdrewjosh]

Really hard not to understand, you should want production over a decoy. As that decoy is being a drive killer not a drive thriller.


Keeping Ds honest is he? Antonio is being doubled and even triple teamed. Other players are the ones helping Ben move the chains.

Only thing Coates is doing right now is screwing up the flow of the game,

And who is producing so much that he should sit?? And both deep balls to him were under thrown. There is a reason he still continues to play and its because broken bones and all defenses pay attention to him

 

[slashsteel]

And who is producing so much that he should sit??

I would give Cobi more opportunities, until Coates is healthier.

 

[antdrewjosh]

I would give Cobi more opportunities, until Coates is healthier.

He is playing. But he doesn't provide the same effect as Coates. Hopefully over the next ten days Coates can get better and gain some confidence in his hand

 

[steelermania]

I would give Cobi more opportunities, until Coates is healthier.

Cobi is out there. They are missing 3 wideouts. They just don't have anyone else to send out.

 

[Coryea]

Coates routinely ***** his routes up, poor breaks, never goes to get a ball, you don't need to be told that to know. The Baltimore game he dropped a TD that gets us within 7 with 6 or 7 minutes left, and earlier that game on 3rd and 5 or so instead of running crisp in route he runs a sloppy rounded route.

His finger is to bad to catch, but it's alright to run down the field and grab people to tackle??? Bullshit, he wasnt getting offensive PT because he couldn't catch and was ******* up routes.

If we want Ben to not have lulls, then give him ******* control of the offense, you know like every other franchise QB has. If Eli wants to go up tempo, no huddle, he's allowed to do it as he wants, not Ben it has to go through Tomlin

 

[diver]

Coates routinely ***** his routes up, poor breaks, never goes to get a ball, you don't need to be told that to know. The Baltimore game he dropped a TD that gets us within 7 with 6 or 7 minutes left, and earlier that game on 3rd and 5 or so instead of running crisp in route he runs a sloppy rounded route.

His finger is to bad to catch, but it's alright to run down the field and grab people to tackle??? Bullshit, he wasnt getting offensive PT because he couldn't catch and was ******* up routes.

If we want Ben to not have lulls, then give him ******* control of the offense, you know like every other franchise QB has. If Eli wants to go up tempo, no huddle, he's allowed to do it as he wants, not Ben it has to go through Tomlin

And you know this how, exactly? To hear Ben tell it, he has huge impact over the offense. That is straight from the horse's mouth. What you are saying is pure speculation. Besides, up tempo or no-huddle is overrated, at least the way the Steelers do it is. They get up to the line and hold, hold, and don't snap the damn ball anyway until there is about 2-3 seconds on the playclock. I would rather see better overall pace than up tempo or no huddle. Also, with this defense, do you want to be going no huddle or up tempo too much? You have a few lulls, next thing you know this defense is on the field a hell of a lot more than you want them to be.

Again, none of this is excusing the coach. Unfortunately, Ben is required to overcome some idiocy from the sidelines. The is not the way it should be, but the way it is.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Coates routinely ***** his routes up, poor breaks, never goes to get a ball, you don't need to be told that to know. The Baltimore game he dropped a TD that gets us within 7 with 6 or 7 minutes left, and earlier that game on 3rd and 5 or so instead of running crisp in route he runs a sloppy rounded route.

His finger is to bad to catch, but it's alright to run down the field and grab people to tackle??? Bullshit, he wasnt getting offensive PT because he couldn't catch and was ******* up routes.

If we want Ben to not have lulls, then give him ******* control of the offense, you know like every other franchise QB has. If Eli wants to go up tempo, no huddle, he's allowed to do it as he wants, not Ben it has to go through Tomlin

And you know this how?? Can you produce one link? Yes he dropped a TD and Ben also overthrew him for a TD. Please post a link to back this up that Coates had been ******* up routes.

And on the play you are talking about there was video posted that Ben threwba bad pass. Coates was open and Ben threw it into the ground

 

[Steeler Pride]

And you know this how?? Can you produce one link? Yes he dropped a TD and Ben also overthrew him for a TD. Please post a link to back this up that Coates had been ******* up routes

Do you watch the games? Do you know what sloppy route running looks like? I can actually watch the game and see when a receiver rounds out of a break on a slant giving the DB time to get underneath the route. I don;t need a link or an article to tell me that. You act like every link that you post to is the word of God himself...it really is quite amusing. Outside of running go-routes, Coates looks very undisciplined as a WR. He actually reminds me quite a bit of Mike Wallace. Great for stretching the field, but mediocre at best on slants, outs, hitch, and post routes.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Do you watch the games? Do you know what sloppy route running looks like? I can actually watch the game and see when a receiver rounds out of a break on a slant giving the DB time to get underneath the route. I don;t need a link or an article to tell me that. You act like every link that you post to is the word of God himself...it really is quite amusing. Outside of running go-routes, Coates looks very undisciplined as a WR. He actually reminds me quite a bit of Mike Wallace. Great for stretching the field, but mediocre at best on slants, outs, hitch, and post routes.

If he was busting routes at the rate you guys are saying he would not be playing and there would be reports on why he isn't playing..post one.

And excuse me if I believe someone who is around the team everyday and watches practice and also has a better view then anyone watching on TV. Unless you are watching the All 22 film you can't possibly see everything from the broadcast angle..so again post one link of Coates routinely running wrong routes

 

[Steeler Pride]

If he was busting routes at the rate you guys are saying he would not he playing and there would be reports on why he isn't playing..post one

Once again, I am capable of watching a game and seeing what happens. I don't need someone at steelerdepot, knowitallfootball.com, or anywhere else that you get your earth shattering articles from to tell me what I can see for myself. If you haven't noticed, he really hasn't been playing, except for special teams, and when he does play it does not look crisp or precise. Maybe the fact that he is not having the ball thrown his way much is an indicator that his preparation and performance are sorely lacking.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Once again, I am capable of watching a game and seeing what happens. I don't need someone at steelerdepot, knowitallfootball.com, or anywhere else that you get your earth shattering articles from to tell me what I can see for myself. If you haven't noticed, he really hasn't been playing, except for special teams, and when he does play it does not look crisp or precise. Maybe the fact that he is not having the ball thrown his way much is an indicator that his preparation and performance are sorely lacking.

Blah blah talking out your ***... He hasn't been playing cause of a injury. Nothing to do with his route running. Majority of the time you can't even see all the WRs but on your TV you can smh. What TV do you have need to switch mine??