Exactly my point. Oh what great gameplans we had then SMH. Nope the ******* players just played better. AND the crazy part we were winning and people were still bitching about the defensive game plan
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Exactly my point. Oh what great gameplans we had then SMH. Nope the ******* players just played better. AND the crazy part we were winning and people were still bitching about the defensive game plan
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But why is it that, when we are at home, not playing a ****** team, and Ben is not coming back from injury, those things are executed well? Yes the trend thing is important. Because it's predictable that those things won't be executed. Yes it's on the players to complete the pass, but if all of us can predict before the game even starts that Ben will struggle with accuracy, then don't you go in with a game plan that emphasizes getting Ben into a confident rhythm early on? We did the exact opposite.
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I have maintained this my entire adult life from Noll to Cowher to Tomlin. The execution of the team on game wins/losses is 90% players and 10% coach. The coaches put in the gameplans the week leading up to the game. They have to make some adjustments during the game and reinforce what they worked on all week. That's your 10%. The other 90% is catching the ball, throwing accurate passes, not fumbling the ball, not throwing interceptions, blocking the guy you are supposed to block, beating the man across the ball from you, maintaining you focus, keeping your cool, not making stupid penalties......I could go on all day.
I will never be able to take these threads seriously with the over the top gnashing of teeth and chest beating that this coach needs fired and that coach needs fired whenever the team plays like ****. The heart and soul of the team and leaders are the guys wearing numbers on their backs, not the guys holding clipboards. If guys are ******* up left and right, no amount of game planning, "coaching up" or pep talks are going to fix it. ******* execute, win the individual battles on the field and don't make stupid ******* decisions. That's football....period.
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It would have changed the game, but it was incomplete and the Steelers went basically the rest of the quarter with having more penalty yards than passing yards. I get you want to put a shoulder of the blame on Ben, and he deserves a lot of it, however, he wasn't the only one who failed to execute today. The penalties were outrageous. There were numerous special teams gaffes, including a blocked punt for a touchdown. The offensive line didn't pave holes for Bell and Bell danced too much at the line of scrimmage. There were a few dropped passes and Mike Mitchell complete missed two tackles for big gains, one resulting in a touchdown. A few plays here and there and maybe there are different results, but I'm not going to play that game. The Steelers were beat soundly.
A big issue is, why do the Steelers repeatedly lose to bad teams on the road and it goes beyond simply saying only Ben plays poorly on the road, the entire team does.
Then what's the point of having a head coach?
why do you look to one play to find fault
your window is short for assigning blame
I am looking at the overall picture
you and a few others want to point to this ONE game
which makes it like you are separating one play from a plethora of failed games that show trend
we can point to one play and assign blame but ultimately know it is a collective effort
run by a head coach who has to take these collective moments and make them work based on what you have at your disposal.
I will not hang on one play, but many games with similar outcomes, and the one similar reason for those outcomes...
Tommy Tom.
He was a big reason in the eagles and dolphins game too. But still in today's game that's a huge Play. 10-7 early in third that's a huge potentially game altering play. Bigger to me then Coates drop because of how much time was left
I could not have said it better. Great points.
And when a entire team plays bad who is to blame?
drum-roll for the apologists....
Tommy Tom !
I'm done for tonight, this game has me so pissed off, I just need to walk away. Sorry if I was a dick to anybody, not my intention. I just don't understand why some are willing to (rightfully) blame the players while absolving the head coach, when clearly both are to blame. But I wish you all a good night, and hopefully somehow next week is better.
To do the 10%. Pretty simple.
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Part of the coaching is teaching the players fundamentals and technique so they can succeed and win those one on one matchups and catch the ball effectively. I won't argue that the players aren't more important, but I can't understand how some put zero responsibility on the coaching staff.
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Running an offense or defense that your players can't execute is bad coaching to me. That's not the case here at all. We were 4-1 and sitting pretty doing and calling the same plays. Team specific of course. So the guys aren't running an offense or defense not equipped to their abilities. Play better and it makes everyone look smart
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Lol. No. Just need Ben to play better genius. At the end of the season if we don't another SB and you want to get rid of all of our coaches go ahead. That wouldn't bother me one bid. IF you didn't get my point yet .....it is that the play of our players has a greater effect on the game than our HC. DOESN'T matter how great of a game plan yinz have if yinz can't execute it yinz most likely won't win. Didn't realize because I want my best player to play better it means u want him gone and Tomlin extended for life. YINZ isn't being to smart now.
problem is he drew that percentage out of his ***.
if head coaches were only 10% of the problem there wouldn't be such a turnover.
Good coaches have a team turnover but yet continue to follow solid trends.
The trends that show with this team under Tomlin is painful to watch and more often than not embarrassing.
**** why get rid of Arians why get rid of any coach with such a low responsibility percentage?
I tell you why complete fabricated bullshit made up from someone conjecturing.
I tell you what isn't made up
results
trends
and those pain a entirely different story
but feel free to make up some more bullshit as you go along
I've finally swung. For years, I've defended Tomlin. I can no longer.
His record against losing teams speaks for itself. Today was the most underprepared team I've ever seen the Steelers put on a football field. Penalties, errors, miscues. No one was prepared to play. To say that was embarrassing treats it too lightly.
Year after year, Mike Tomlin continues to waste talent. He is the antithesis of what Cowhwer was - a man who often took average teams and made them playoff participants and/or contenders. Mike has, in my humble and conservative opinion cost us at least one Lombardi. Maybe two. He'll cost us another one this year.
I'm about to lay all blame in his direction. I once used to say the injuries were an anomaly. They happen every year in droves unlike any team in the NFL. Why? Well we now hear we practice too hard.
Yet we are never prepared for games we should win. How is that?
Ben had no business out there today. He couldn't plant in order to make a throw. Anyone could see that. But we left him on the field with a rabid pack of Terrell Thuggs looking for a way to get to his knee. Brilliant.
I no longer get it. I can no longer make excuses. This isn't 2016. This is 4-5-6 years of the same script playing itself out year after year after year.
His record against losing teams speaks for itself. Today was the most underprepared team I've ever seen the Steelers put on a football field. Penalties, errors, miscues. No one was prepared to play. To say that was embarrassing treats it too lightly.
Year after year, Mike Tomlin continues to waste talent. He is the antithesis of what Cowhwer was - a man who often took average teams and made them playoff participants and/or contenders. Mike has, in my humble and conservative opinion cost us at least one Lombardi. Maybe two. He'll cost us another one this year.
I'm about to lay all blame in his direction. I once used to say the injuries were an anomaly. They happen every year in droves unlike any team in the NFL. Why? Well we now hear we practice too hard.
Yet we are never prepared for games we should win. How is that?
Ben had no business out there today. He couldn't plant in order to make a throw. Anyone could see that. But we left him on the field with a rabid pack of Terrell Thuggs looking for a way to get to his knee. Brilliant.
I no longer get it. I can no longer make excuses. This isn't 2016. This is 4-5-6 years of the same script playing itself out year after year after year.
So they were taught that when we were 4-1 but not now???
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Did that offense resemble the one that we have come to expect? Didn't look like it to me.
General comment about coaches, had nothing to do with this staff or this season.
No the coaches and the players have a equal effect on the game.
but a great coach makes great decisions and puts the best players on the field and knows what strings to pull to manipulate for a win...
If you think running on 3rd and four and bombs away is a great game plan from a QB coming off injury, you aren't too smart.....
or playing a QB that is hobbling is a great decision more of the same.
or sitting on your hands and not manipulating a different outcome, over and over again.......is the right answer
then again
YINZ isn't too smart.
I like this fantasy you and a few others have dredged up that everything leans highly on the players.
If that was true you wouldn't have great outcomes from different franchises after big turnovers.
but yet the solid coached teams continue to win
lol SMH at some of these things people pop out of their ***
ridiculous
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I don't have a subscritpion, but I can already get the tone from DK. He apparently doesn't subscribe to the fact that coaching doesn't matter in games:
http://dkpittsburghsports.com/2016/11/06/column-tomlin-staff-act-matters-win/
http://dkpittsburghsports.com/2016/11/06/column-tomlin-staff-act-matters-win/
Cause Ben didn't play well and the OLine was dominated in the run game. Again what magic play call will fix that. Coaches called two TDs one was overthrown and one was dropped
I do and will read it later.
I guess so according to apologists. #TrendsIgnored