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[POP]

Who cares about Worilds anymore. I got tired of the ***** threads when he played here. Now that he has moved on from football let the man go. There is enough on JJ to complain about. Might as well throw ALL our OLBers into a ***** thread...because they have all been playing like crap.

It was pertinent to the discussion: Worilds played better in contract year, JJ is playing better in his contract year. Best to keep history in mind or you risk repeating it. The rest of OLBs? Harrison old, Moats never that good and Dupree still hurt.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Who cares about Worilds anymore. I got tired of the ***** threads when he played here. Now that he has moved on from football let the man go. There is enough on JJ to complain about. Might as well throw ALL our OLBers into a ***** thread...because they have all been playing like crap.

We're just hoping someone from the Steelers FO reads the board and gets reminded of this so they don't make the same mistake again.

 

[antdrewjosh]

BY MATTHEW MARCZI OCTOBER 26, 2016 AT 06:20 AM
There is no doubt in my mind that for the rest of his career, no matter where he ends up playing after this season, fourth-year Pittsburgh Steelers outside linebacker Jarvis Jones is going to have a target on his back when it comes to having his play scrutinized. A shortness of sacks will always get him some knocks, but absence of a sack doesn’t always mean absence of pressure.

Sunday was probably the best game of the season so far for Jones, and one of the better games of his career up to this point. In all, he registered seven tackles and a forced fumble, but he also had a handful of pressures that don’t appear on the stat sheet.

But, of course, his biggest play of the day was also the first play of the day for the defense, when he chased wide receiver Chris Hogan down from behind and knocked the ball loose as he was bringing the receiver to the ground. He also recovered the fumble that he caused, but the offense was unable to capitalize on it.





In the midst of the Patriots drive that followed, which consisted of 13 plays, 80 yards, and a touchdown, Jones did manage to make a tackle for loss on a second and short play. Lined up as an inside linebacker in the Steelers’ modified 4-3 alignment, he shot the gap left open with both the nose tackle and right end drawing double teams, and he dropped the back for a loss of a yard and a half on the play.



The outside linebacker was able to open up the second half of the game strong doing what he is supposed to be doing out on the edge, getting a couple of early pressures on the Patriot’s opening drive of the third quarter. On first and 10, aligning in a deep seven-technique, Jones set up left tackle Nate Solder wide to beat him with an inside move, swimming over the top to pressure the quarterback to try to awkwardly shovel a pass forward to his running back.



On the very next snap, he got around the edge on Solder and forced him to hold, drawing a penalty, which set up a second and 20 for the Patriots.



And then on that second and 20 play, Jones beat Solder yet again with an inside move, and in spite of the fact that he was held by not one, but two linemen, he still pressured the quarterback and forced him to scramble, getting in on that tackle as well.



In spite of his successes in this game, I did see a lot of complaints about Jones on the edge as a run defender, but the reality is that on a lot of the Patriots’ better running plays, it was James Harrison in the game. Perhaps the most notable run was an 11-yarder early in the fourth quarter, on which Jones took a step inside and let Rob Gronkowski seal him inside. But Robert Golden had the edge contain assignment on this play, and Artie Burns’ kick inside and subsequent missed tackle are the main culprits on this run.



While it’s true, as I mentioned earlier, that absence of sacks doesn’t always mean absence of pressure, the truth is that Jones typically hasn’t gotten a lot of pressures either. But he has done better this year than perhaps in any of his three previous seasons.

Gifs inside the link

http://www.Invalid Link - Check SN Home Page/2016/10/steelers-film-room-jarvis-jones-vs-patriots/

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Way to use facts, JJ can't have a good game. Have you forgotten he is designated whipping boy?

 

[Coryea]

Several people have said this was his best game, but he's still a bust of a pick and needs upgraded. His best two plays came when he was unblocked.

 

[Omar10213245]

Way to use facts, JJ can't have a good game. Have you forgotten he is designated whipping boy?

sure he can have a good game...we'd just prefer that he have more of them, that's all.

 

[TDX27]

He had one good half. They didn't use him nearly as much in the 2nd half for some reason. But, that still isn't enough. One good half in 2.5 years sucks. I hope he can continue that but so far, there is no way I am getting my hopes up on the kid. If they want to sign him for backup money next year, great. But, no way do I sign him for even low end starter money unless he blows it up the rest of the season. His overall body of work sucks.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

He had one good half. They didn't use him nearly as much in the 2nd half for some reason. But, that still isn't enough. One good half in 2.5 years sucks.

Hey, one good half-a-season in four years was enough to get Worilds tagged as the franchise player. Timing is everything.

 

[ark steel]

About right, but he did play well. Out of 42 games played, this was one of his five best. I also so how easily he's blocked, and the inability to break free of them. But I will say this, he is a high effort type of player, but no where near a pass rusher.

The interesting thing about JJ is that, one or two of his best games have come against the Browns LT (Staley?) who is (was) considered one of the better LT's in the game.

 

[Litos]

what is really sad about the state of our LB corps is that maybe Jarvis has been the best OLB so far

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Exactly why he will be resigned to a Moats like deal if he continues his slow improvement. He'll be offered 4 years 10-12 M. Just a matter of if someone else offers more. He has been one of better LBs this year. You get stronger by improving the weakest links in the chain which right now include Chikillo, Moats, Matakevich and Silverback. Think Timmy could return if he is willing to accept a lesser contract and role, probably 50/50 with him. To think you improve the LB core by getting rid of one of your top 3 when there are 4-5 lower hanging pieces of fruit is flawed logic. We definitely need to upgrade this unit for sure. Would be great to bring in a proven threat and let Bud and JJ fight for the 2-3 spots with another day 1-2 draft pick.

 

[Litos]

Exactly why he will be resigned to a Moats like deal if he continues his slow improvement. He'll be offered 4 years 10-12 M. Just a matter of if someone else offers more. He has been one of better LBs this year. You get stronger by improving the weakest links in the chain which right now include Chikillo, Moats, Matakevich and Silverback. Think Timmy could return if he is willing to accept a lesser contract and role, probably 50/50 with him. To think you improve the LB core by getting rid of one of your top 3 when there are 4-5 lower hanging pieces of fruit is flawed logic. We definitely need to upgrade this unit for sure. Would be great to bring in a proven threat and let Bud and JJ fight for the 2-3 spots with another day 1-2 draft pick.

at that price I'd be happy to keep Jarvis, with a backup role. There definitly must be another addition to the rotation, and I mean a talented one in FA

 

[MTC]

Hey, one good half-a-season in four years was enough to get Worilds tagged as the franchise player. Timing is everything.

Difference between Worilds and Jarvis is Worilds could push when he wanted. A few posts above someone stated. Jarvis has a high motor and he does. But he gets held up on blocks easily. He does read offenses though and gravitates towards the ball. I'm ok with him being a back up role player

 

[slashsteel]

Jason Worilds was pretty good in his contract year too, then promptly went back to being ****.

And even Jason was more sack/pressure capable. If yinz want to resign Jarvis with backup money I am ok with it.

As a starter, no thanks.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Difference between Worilds and Jarvis is Worilds could push when he wanted. A few posts above someone stated. Jarvis has a high motor and he does. But he gets held up on blocks easily. He does read offenses though and gravitates towards the ball. I'm ok with him being a back up role player

I think it gets back to that spinal stenosis that they knew he had out of college. It keeps him from hitting the weights hard enough to get big enough and strong enough to be effective in the NFL. That's why I didn't like this pick from the beginning. $0.02.

 

[MTC]

I think it gets back to that spinal stenosis that they knew he had out of college. It keeps him from hitting the weights hard enough to get big enough and strong enough to be effective in the NFL. That's why I didn't like this pick from the beginning. $0.02.

I agree. I still never understood why UGA cleared him to play football again. And to be honest he could've been a really great linebacker if he wasn't limited. It's evident how high his motor runs. Cool to see UGA guys play for the Steelers. But he should've taken the doctors account when he got released at USC

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I've heard conflicting reports on the spinal stenosis thing. Being a UGA fan as well, their doctors claimed he was misdiagnosed at USC and his play at UGA didn't show any ill effects. There is probably something to it, but he did get in the weight room this offseason and add a little mass from what I've read. It probably does slow his gains though and unsure if he will ever be able to add the strength necessary to be a pass rusher. With his motor if try moving him inside a bit to see if he can be of value there so we have a more clear idea how to approach a possible contract after this year. A lot of his splash plays at UGA did come from him sliding inside and stunting to come through unblocked. He did seem to have a nose for the ball and still has that motor, and Shazier can't seem to stay on the field either.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Steelers OLB coach Joey Porter wants to see Jarvis Jones on the field more
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When it comes to the Steelers OLB rotation, Jarvis Jones is a player not many want to see more of; however, OLB coach Joey Porter says otherwise.
by Jeff.Hartman@BnGBlitz Oct 28, 2016, 6:00a

Let’s be honest. If someone came up to you and asked, “Who should be starting at right outside linebacker for the Pittsburgh Steelers? Jarvis Jones or James Harrison?” At least 9 out of 10 fans polled would answer Harrison without question. Shouldn’t surprise anyone, considering Harrison’s ridiculous resume as a player, despite being 38-years-old this season. However, what most might not be seeing is Jarvis Jones having a career year.

Before fans flock to the comment section denouncing my fanhood, realize a career year for Jones is just that — a career year for him, not the gold standard of pass rushers who have donned the black and gold.

Jones has been disruptive, and it was evident in the first half of the Week 7 game against the New England Patriots when his impact was felt in the form of tackles for losses, a pass defense and a forced and recovered fumble. After such a performance, you would think the team would be wanting to see more of Jones on the field, and that is exactly what OLB coach Joey Porter is suggesting they do with their former 1st round draft choice.

“He definitely needs to be on the field more,” Porter told Dale Lolley of the Washington Observer-Reporter. “I’m trying to make sure he’s out there, but with Harrison, I can’t let him sit for a long time because he’s an older guy. If he doesn’t get in there at some point and time and get warmed up, it’s hard for that 38-year-old body to get going. So I have to get him in the game or riding a bike to keep him warm. But Jarvis is definitely playing real, real well to this point.”


It is at this point you see the issues with having a rotation at the OLB position. Jarvis Jones is playing well, but the team feels need to get Harrison in the game, in Porter’s words, to make sure his aging body is able to get warmed up.

With that said, Jones has played 60-percent of the team’s defensive snaps, more than any other OLB on the team’s roster, but the plan from the start of the season was always to have Jones opposite second year pass rusher Bud Dupree. Dupree’s absence has left a gaping hole at the OLB position which hasn’t been filled to date.

Dupree has openly stated he hopes to return to practice in Week 10, but how long it takes him to get back on the playing field is anyone’s guess.

“We know he’s been out of ball for a while,” said Porter. “We’ll be able to evaluate him as he comes in and practices and see what he’s doing from that standpoint. I know from a mental standpoint, we’re not doing anything different. He’s been sitting in the meeting room. He’s going to be fine there. It’s really about him getting out on the field and doing it. He hasn’t been doing it in a long time. All that time training and getting ready and then missing that time, you can’t just say you’re going to go out there and pick up where you left off. That doesn’t happen like that.”

Until Dupree returns, Jones could see more time on the left side of the defense, something he has done throughout the season on occasion, but ultimately he, and Porter, know all too well what will define his success or failures in Pittsburgh — sacks.

“I tell those guys all the time, ‘We’re in Pittsburgh. We play outside linebacker. We’re going to get judged by production in the sack game,’” Porter said. “If you have nine or 10 tackles, that’s all good but we’re going to get judged for (sacks). Until (Jones) does that, you aren’t going to see the good things he is doing better than he has.”

Jones needs to be on the field and rushing the passer for this to happen, and it seems the Steelers are doing their best to get him on the field more after the bye week.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...rvis-jones-on-the-field-more-sacks-bud-dupree

 

[Omar10213245]

yeah that's great Joey, we can all see how Jarvis is "playing real, real well"

 

[SteelerSask2]

I think if you are balanced and not a hater you have to say he played very well and he has easily been playing his best football. Just don't do a big contract and fine. If he plays good for the rest of the season and you believe he will continue when payed you could give him a medium contract.

 

[Omar10213245]

I think if you are balanced and not a hater you have to say he played very well and he has easily been playing his best football. Just don't do a big contract and fine. If he plays good for the rest of the season and you believe he will continue when payed you could give him a medium contract.

I think it's important to remember what type of standard your team is trying to either a. maintain or b. work towards. it's been a little while since we've had a sound/"good" defense in Pittsburgh, let alone a dominant one. I would hate for our front office let our defense's steady slide into mediocrity blind them to what they should be hoping to attain, and that's to be one of the unquestioned top 3 defenses in the league again. Jarvis offers no chance at that. I'm sorry, I don't care how many "good" moments he's had in games lately, he's just not worth it to even tender an offer. If I'm KC, I let him dip his toes in the market first, see what offers he gets, with a strong likelihood that I WON'T be matching if he's getting "starter money" offers out there.

 

[Omar10213245]

I think if you are balanced and not a hater you have to say he played very well and he has easily been playing his best football. Just don't do a big contract and fine. If he plays good for the rest of the season and you believe he will continue when payed you could give him a medium contract.

us haters is an ornery bunch, sask

 

[steeler b]

yeah he vanished like a fart in the wind in the 2nd half. where did he go?

 

[stillwright]

yeah he vanished like a fart in the wind in the 2nd half. where did he go?

Probably the same place the rest of our defense went.

 

[Coryea]

42 games, 5 sacks, end of discussion