Cockrell Expects CBs Up At Line Of Scrimmage More This Season

[scraps]

Music to my ears. Apparently, the Steelers now believe they have the talent to play more press coverage. Always hated their constant use of playing 10 yards off the receiver almost every down (even on third and short).

...another focus of this season’s defense will be to see the Steelers’ cornerbacks “on the line of scrimmage more often this season”, as Ross Cockrell told him, which certainly sounds like they intend to play more press coverage or man coverage than they have in the past.

the majority of the first-team reps during spring drills—a fact not altogether unsurprising, of course, given the general lack of experience from the rest of the roster—the third-year cornerback, with good size and supposedly added bulk during this offseason, will, as it appears, be a part of that greater emphasis of pressing at the line of scrimmage, or at least lining up close to the line of scrimmage

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[Coach]

Neither Cockrel or Gay has the recovery speed to play tight man on the Line of scrimmage, or bump and run.

This to me is camp talk. I'll believe it when I see it in games

Having said that, if they shorten the cushion a bit, that could be a good thing, but I'd be careful with it until Burns and Davis, two bigger and faster players are inserted into the line up with an understanding of the defense.

Davis I think will get ripped in coverage, and I'm unsure as to Burns long term speed, which should not be confused with his playmaking ability.

 

[slashsteel]

Neither Cockrel or Gay has the recovery speed to play tight man on the Line of scrimmage, or bump and run.

This to me is camp talk. I'll believe it when I see it in games

Having said that, if they shorten the cushion a bit, that could be a good thing, but I'd be careful with it until Burns and Davis, two bigger and faster players are inserted into the line up with an understanding of the defense.

Davis I think will get ripped in coverage, and I'm unsure as to Burns long term speed, which should not be confused with his playmaking ability.

I have no concerns about Burns speed, and Davis will be used more as a SS than CB so I am less concerned with his long term coverage abilities.


Overall they will of course focus on improving weaknesses which may be the primary reason they are practicing more press.

I am sure the D will be molded to the players strengths, whatever that ends up being.........

 

[suncitysteel]

I hate it when opponents' receivers run their routes unimpeded, giving timing offenses a leg up on our D. CB's effective in press coverage excel in altering pass routes, and thus allow the defense opportunities for splash plays, like flustering silly-footed pansy-***** like Brady into the fetal position when the rush comes, or throwing an ill-advised ball up for grabs.

 

[Steelerfan81]

Neither Cockrel or Gay has the recovery speed to play tight man on the Line of scrimmage, or bump and run.

This to me is camp talk. I'll believe it when I see it in games

Having said that, if they shorten the cushion a bit, that could be a good thing, but I'd be careful with it until Burns and Davis, two bigger and faster players are inserted into the line up with an understanding of the defense.

Davis I think will get ripped in coverage, and I'm unsure as to Burns long term speed, which should not be confused with his playmaking ability.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Do you know what bump and run coverage is? Why are they going to need to have recovery speed?

 

[Stryker]

With a better pass rush and improved safety play, a press tactic is a good tactic to employ during a game. Plus we had pretty good results blitzing CBs and rolling coverages to create sacks and turnovers last year.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Do you know what bump and run coverage is? Why are they going to need to have recovery speed?

Especially if they play more cover two

 

[Coach]

Neither Cockrel or Gay has the recovery speed to play tight man on the Line of scrimmage, or bump and run.

This to me is camp talk. I'll believe it when I see it in games

Having said that, if they shorten the cushion a bit, that could be a good thing, but I'd be careful with it until Burns and Davis, two bigger and faster players are inserted into the line up with an understanding of the defense.

Davis I think will get ripped in coverage, and I'm unsure as to Burns long term speed, which should not be confused with his playmaking ability.

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Do you know what bump and run coverage is? Why are they going to need to have recovery speed?

1 ) Yes, I know what I'm talking about Steelerfan81. You might notice Cockrell isn't fast and when asked to cover deep struggled a bit. Are you familiar with his pro day /combine results and did you watch the last season?! Cockrell ran a 4.56 at the combine.

Willaim Gay ran a 4.48 at his pro day, and that was a long time. Now he's 31. At 5'10" he's not suited for tight man coverage either.


2 ) Yes, I know what bump and run coverage is. It's a scheme where you try to bump or jam a receiver withing the first 5 yards where contact is allowed. The article does not mention bump and run. The Steelers hardly play it for a reason.


3 ) Why are they going to need recovery speed? Oh Boy....if you play closer to the line you can get beaten easier by a move, double more or by flat out speed. There is a reason why our corners played off the line 6-10 yards in some cases. Recovery speed is a term. The faster players have the recovery speed to make up ground when they are beaten.

Burns ran a 4.46 This is average speed for a corner, and he's a bigger bodied type who turns with average ability on the films I saw.

The article mentioned the Steelers intend to play more press coverage or man coverage than they have in the past and closer to the line of scrimmage That does not suit our current starters well.

-Coach

 

[Coach]

Especially if they play more cover two

Ah yes, Tomlin's alleged specialty. The " cover two. " When he was the defensive coordinator in Minnesota for just one season his defense gave up 3,818 passing yards, ranking 31st out of 32nd. Not exactly good.

We are playing less cover two these days because the NFL offenses ar sending out 4-5 guys these days, which is why we play more nickel and dime.

Essentially the cover two has lost a lot of value

To make the cover 2 work need to play making safeties. We have Golden and Mitchell as the projected starters. A good 4 man rush helps too.

 

[Steelerfan81]

Neither Cockrel or Gay has the recovery speed to play tight man on the Line of scrimmage, or bump and run.

This to me is camp talk. I'll believe it when I see it in games

Having said that, if they shorten the cushion a bit, that could be a good thing, but I'd be careful with it until Burns and Davis, two bigger and faster players are inserted into the line up with an understanding of the defense.

Davis I think will get ripped in coverage, and I'm unsure as to Burns long term speed, which should not be confused with his playmaking ability.




1 ) Yes, I know what I'm talking about Steelerfan81. You might notice Cockrell isn't fast and when asked to cover deep struggled a bit. Are you familiar with his pro day /combine results and did you watch the last season?! Cockrell ran a 4.56 at the combine.

Willaim Gay ran a 4.48 at his pro day, and that was a long time. Now he's 31. At 5'10" he's not suited for tight man coverage either.


2 ) Yes, I know what bump and run coverage is. It's a scheme where you try to bump or jam a receiver withing the first 5 yards where contact is allowed. The article does not mention bump and run. The Steelers hardly play it for a reason.


3 ) Why are they going to need recovery speed? Oh Boy....if you play closer to the line you can get beaten easier by a move, double more or by flat out speed. There is a reason why our corners played off the line 6-10 yards in some cases. Recovery speed is a term. The faster players have the recovery speed to make up ground when they are beaten.

Burns ran a 4.46 This is average speed for a corner, and he's a bigger bodied type who turns with average ability on the films I saw.

The article mentioned the Steelers intend to play more press coverage or man coverage than they have in the past and closer to the line of scrimmage That does not suit our current starters well.

-Coach

1. Judging someone's combine numbers has no baring on how well they are suited to cover someone man to man. If they're in a Tampa two there is going to be help over the top anyway. Cockrell may not even be a starting corner for this team . And cause someone ran a 4.3 vs a 4.4 vs a 4.5 doesn't mean a damn thing. Antonio wasn't some blazer out of the combine and he does quite well against bump and run.

2. The point is to throw the receivers time off from the QB and to knock them off their normal route so they don't end up where theyre supposed to be. The whole time you're grabbing the other receiver and you're staying stride for stride with the man therefore you shouldn't need to make up 7 yards nor need recovery speed.

3. Corners play off 6-10 yards so they can cover the deep 1/3 in a cover 3 or so they can sit back in a zone and keep the receivers in front of them.

 

[Steelerfan81]

Neither Cockrel or Gay has the recovery speed to play tight man on the Line of scrimmage, or bump and run.

This to me is camp talk. I'll believe it when I see it in games

Having said that, if they shorten the cushion a bit, that could be a good thing, but I'd be careful with it until Burns and Davis, two bigger and faster players are inserted into the line up with an understanding of the defense.

Davis I think will get ripped in coverage, and I'm unsure as to Burns long term speed, which should not be confused with his playmaking ability.




1 ) Yes, I know what I'm talking about Steelerfan81. You might notice Cockrell isn't fast and when asked to cover deep struggled a bit. Are you familiar with his pro day /combine results and did you watch the last season?! Cockrell ran a 4.56 at the combine.

Willaim Gay ran a 4.48 at his pro day, and that was a long time. Now he's 31. At 5'10" he's not suited for tight man coverage either.


2 ) Yes, I know what bump and run coverage is. It's a scheme where you try to bump or jam a receiver withing the first 5 yards where contact is allowed. The article does not mention bump and run. The Steelers hardly play it for a reason.


3 ) Why are they going to need recovery speed? Oh Boy....if you play closer to the line you can get beaten easier by a move, double more or by flat out speed. There is a reason why our corners played off the line 6-10 yards in some cases. Recovery speed is a term. The faster players have the recovery speed to make up ground when they are beaten.

Burns ran a 4.46 This is average speed for a corner, and he's a bigger bodied type who turns with average ability on the films I saw.

The article mentioned the Steelers intend to play more press coverage or man coverage than they have in the past and closer to the line of scrimmage That does not suit our current starters well.

-Coach

1. Judging someone's combine numbers has no baring on how well they are suited to cover someone man to man. If they're in a Tampa two there is going to be help over the top anyway. Cockrell may not even be a starting corner for this team . And cause someone ran a 4.3 vs a 4.4 vs a 4.5 doesn't mean a damn thing. Antonio wasn't some blazer out of the combine and he does quite well against bump and run.

2. The point is to throw the receivers time off from the QB and to knock them off their normal route so they don't end up where theyre supposed to be. The whole time you're grabbing the other receiver and you're staying stride for stride with the man therefore you shouldn't need to make up 7 yards nor need recovery speed.

3. Corners play off 6-10 yards so they can cover the deep 1/3 in a cover 3 or so they can sit back in a zone and keep the receivers in front of them.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Ah yes, Tomlin's alleged specialty. The " cover two. " When he was the defensive coordinator in Minnesota for just one season his defense gave up 3,818 passing yards, ranking 31st out of 32nd. Not exactly good.

We are playing less cover two these days because the NFL offenses ar sending out 4-5 guys these days, which is why we play more nickel and dime.

Essentially the cover two has lost a lot of value

To make the cover 2 work need to play making safeties. We have Golden and Mitchell as the projected starters. A good 4 man rush helps too.

Again using stats to tell half the story. That Viking team was also historic against the run. Teams threw the ball against them cause they knew they couldn't run. They did not try. Sort of similar to the Steelers of the early 2000s. Teams stop trying to run so they threw it all the time.

 

[Superman]

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Do you know what bump and run coverage is? Why are they going to need to have recovery speed?

you must be new here.

 

[Coach]

Again using stats to tell half the story. That Viking team was also historic against the run. Teams threw the ball against them cause they knew they couldn't run. They did not try. Sort of similar to the Steelers of the early 2000s. Teams stop trying to run so they threw it all the time.

Nope. Their pass D was so bad they had very low rushing attempts against

 

[Coach]

1. Judging someone's combine numbers has no baring on how well they are suited to cover someone man to man. If they're in a Tampa two there is going to be help over the top anyway. Cockrell may not even be a starting corner for this team . And cause someone ran a 4.3 vs a 4.4 vs a 4.5 doesn't mean a damn thing. Antonio wasn't some blazer out of the combine and he does quite well against bump and run.

B()ll &hit. Cornerback places a premium on speed and quickness. This is why corners that run a 4.57 or higher are seldom picked high, and it they are, they are very tall with excellent ball skills. More often than not the slower or not quick corners are moved to safety or role players as cornerbacks.

Speed has a lot to do with how a corner holds up in coverage, especially deep coverage. Slower corners typically allow a larger cushion for a reason.

Antonio is a receiver. Don't mix apples with oranges. He's successful because he's very quick and can change directions at top speed. Combine that with amazing hands and routes, and you've got something at receiver

You are allowed to be upset with what I say, but please stop acting or calling others out as if you know more then they do. You don't. Its obvious.

 

[Roy92040]

I kind of like the idea. I hate that cushion crap.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Nope. Their pass D was so bad they had very low rushing attempts against

With Pat and Kevin Williams in the middle of the line, the Vikings defense ranked No. 1 in the NFL against the run for three straight years from 2006-2008, and finished second against the ground game in 2009. No team had accomplished that feat in more than 20 years. Williams also had a strong personality and was a fan favorite.

 

[POP]

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? Do you know what bump and run coverage is? Why are they going to need to have recovery speed?

Because when you try bump and run, sometimes they avoid the bump and run by you; at that point you need recovery speed. I just listened to Tom Coughlin talk about Jimmy Smith and the bump; he said when teams tried to bump and run, they would miss him and he would blow right by them. Obviously, you better have recovery speed at that point. Do you understand?

 

[ark steel]

Hmmm, I just spotted some eye-rho-knee

 

[POP]

I kind of like the idea. I hate that cushion crap.

Phil Simms literally LOL when the Steelers gave a 5 yard cushion when the ball was on the Steelers' own 2-yard line. He couldn't understand the philosophy nor could I.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Because when you try bump and run, sometimes they avoid the bump and run by you; at that point you need recovery speed. I just listened to Tom Coughlin talk about Jimmy Smith and the bump; he said when teams tried to bump and run, they would miss him and he would blow right by them. Obviously, you better have recovery speed at that point. Do you understand?

Um you do know it matters what scheme you're playing behind it. If your playing man with zero safety help or man single high then yes you better be deion Sanders. But who is doing that exclusively??

 

[Coach]

With Pat and Kevin Williams in the middle of the line, the Vikings defense ranked No. 1 in the NFL against the run for three straight years from 2006-2008, and finished second against the ground game in 2009. No team had accomplished that feat in more than 20 years. Williams also had a strong personality and was a fan favorite.

But back to the point, why did the Tomlin lead defense finish 31st in pass defense. Shouldn't a coach who specialty is pass defense be able to produce better results than that? How about yes.

And did Minnesota's pass defense fair that poorly in the season before Tomlin took over as the DC? Nope! They were 22nd ranked. Sliding back 9 spots is pretty big.

Appreatnly the players there were good vs the run, and that did not drop off when Tomlin left. However I'm pretty sure their pass defense got better when he left. Indeed two years post Tomlin Minny's pass defense moved to 18th overall.

 

[Coach]

Because when you try bump and run, sometimes they avoid the bump and run by you; at that point you need recovery speed. I just listened to Tom Coughlin talk about Jimmy Smith and the bump; he said when teams tried to bump and run, they would miss him and he would blow right by them. Obviously, you better have recovery speed at that point. Do you understand?

No he does not! Steelerfan81 thinks he knows more than most here, including NFL coaches. That Coughlin said is correct. If you miss the jam, and the other guy gets a clean release he blowns by you as his feet are moving and your are not.

 

[antdrewjosh]

But back to the point, why did the Tomlin lead defense finish 31st in pass defense. Shouldn't a coach who specialty is pass defense be able to produce better results than that? How about yes.

And did Minnesota's pass defense fair that poorly in the season before Tomlin took over as the DC? Nope! They were 22nd ranked. Sliding back 9 spots is pretty big.

Appreatnly the players there were good vs the run, and that did not drop off when Tomlin left. However I'm pretty sure their pass defense got better when he left. Indeed two years post Tomlin Minny's pass defense moved to 18th overall.

So the Vikings poor pass defense is Tomlin's fault?? OK cool..

When the steelers improved in pass defense from



16 Pittsburgh 549 315 57.4 3168 in 2005

20 Pittsburgh 529 319 60.3 3393 in 2006


To


3 Pittsburgh 536 292 54.5 2824 in 2007

Then

1 Pittsburgh 533 301 56.5 2511 in 2008

Does he get credit for that improvement? How does this work??

 

[wig]

What were the numbers regarding Minnesota's "scoring" defense during Tomlin's tenure?

It's one thing to give up some meaningless yards but did the defense hold up against scoring? Cause ultimately that's sorta the goal, right? Did Tomlin improve the team in THAT category? I'm merely curious.