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Jarvis Jones the next to leave?
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DON"T pick up year five option, doing that would contribute to putting us "back" into cap hell. We have worked hard to get to cap management that we currently enjoy, so let's keep it that way. Uncle Jarvis isn't going to suddenly turn it on and become a monster. Let him play and show otherwise.
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The more I look at these OLB/Edge guys, the more there is to like. It's gonna be tempting for the Steelers if someone like Shilique Calhoun is around. I also like Emmanuel Ogbah, in the Woodley mold, but he's been pretty hot & cold and may be more a 4-3 DE. But he's a monster. There seem to be capable guys dotted up and down the rankings, who knows how Keith Butler has them ranked. With the uncertainly at ROLB with Deebo/Jones, it wouldn't shock me if they go this route as early as rnd 1. But maybe they have their eyes on a sleeper, mid-to-late rounds.
The draft can't get here soon enough, I'm ******* geeked just thinking about it.
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With Blake gone its addition via subtraction. Cockrell was a playmaker. He's a little slow for the outside, but better than Blake.
I think Cockrell is a better player and has more value than Jarvis Jones, hence Jones is now the weakest link on the defense.
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Hey Bermuda,
Are you more upset with Blake or McLendon leaving? A logical question for two guys you defended. Personally I'm happy both are gone.
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The Steelers have to draft an OLB. Jarvis has had plenty of opportunities and while he was better last year, he was still subpar as a pass rusher.
Dupree is still unknown but at least he did show some big play ability. It still remains to be seen if he will be a star but I feel he will at least be adequate.
There are several OLB prospects who will be available in rd 2. If the Steelers get one then maybe you give Jarvis some reps at ILB in camp. Jarvis has good instincts and a nose for the ball. He just lacks the athleticism it takes to be a great pass rusher. I think he could be good at ILB. That would allow them to let Timmons walk and save money with Jarvis in the future.
Dupree is still unknown but at least he did show some big play ability. It still remains to be seen if he will be a star but I feel he will at least be adequate.
There are several OLB prospects who will be available in rd 2. If the Steelers get one then maybe you give Jarvis some reps at ILB in camp. Jarvis has good instincts and a nose for the ball. He just lacks the athleticism it takes to be a great pass rusher. I think he could be good at ILB. That would allow them to let Timmons walk and save money with Jarvis in the future.
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I agree with most of what you are saying, but TIMMONS will retire a STEELERS player.
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Who do you think will be around tail end of rnd 2? Just curious to see some of the names you're thinking of.
That's an interesting thought, Timmons won't be around forever and Jarvis is still relatively young.
IMO Jarvis is to weak to play inside, he would get eaten alive by blockers. Shazier isn't that strong either, but he uses his speed and quickness to make up for that.
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Even though this question was addressed to Tape, I'll ring in
Using an updated mock draft from Walter football, the following players who can project to OLB or Rush end will be there at the end of round two for us to draft:
http://walterfootball.com/draft2016.php
Calhoun
Fackrell
Nassib.
Calhoun is a proven sack man in the big ten. Has some size. I've seen him before and would stamp him as better than Jarvis Jones right now.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1868388/shilique-calhoun
Frackell a multi-skilled athletic type vs the run or pass, and can also play special teams
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1868388/shilique-calhoun
Nassib has amazing production and has world class effort, combined with towering height and decent movement skills. I like him as a stand up OLB in the base, and a rush end in our 4-3, nickel or dime. I'm very high on Nassib, and think he can get a half dozen sacks or more as a rookie if he plays enough. With his height, he should be able to bat his share of passes down too.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1983812/carl-nassib
I'd rank them:
1 ) Nassib
2 ) Calhoun
3 ) Frackell
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The question of paying the bum his 8 million dollar option is ridiculous. Can you imagine what he would bring in trade or what he would earn as an FA right now ? He was a bad pick on draft day due to the idiotic love affair Tombert had with this "special" player and he has played down to the level most Steeler fans predicted when he was drafted unfortunately.
There is two ways to help fix a secondary
draft secondary players who can cover
draft pass rushers that can actually get to the QB more than once and a blue moon
thing is as a few want OLBers
remember the D is morphing..... you might very well really want a pass rushing DE
draft secondary players who can cover
draft pass rushers that can actually get to the QB more than once and a blue moon
thing is as a few want OLBers
remember the D is morphing..... you might very well really want a pass rushing DE
Not neccesarily. My understanding of the 5th year option is that you can cut the player at any time before the start of the league year and it does not count towards the cap. So we could "pick up" Jones' 5th year option and if he still plays below the line, we cut him without actually paying him a dime of that 5th year. The down side of that is, because we cut him rather than having his contract run out, we would receive no compensation when he signs with another team. IMO we should let him play out and not exercise his 5th year.
The other option would be to extend him this summer. That would be foolish, IMO, unless it was a cheap and short team-freindly deal.
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If he gets injured the entire 8 million is guaranteed.
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Not necessarily. If they are looking to play more four-man fronts, maybe they should go for a true rush end rather than one of the tweeners who need to play standing up. Same idea, though.
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Nice explaination steelerscotty, but risk and reward doesn't justify signing the "Uncle Jarvis" . The way to protect salary cap is to NOT sign potential cap "breakerts" . Uncle Jarvis fall in thjis catagory. Let him play this year this year and if he shows something, negotiate an appropriate contract. IF NOT, you're out nothing...........
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Wayyy under the radar, but he's gonna make a helluva ball player
Only if the injury would cause him to miss both 2016 AND 2017, or if an injury would happen very late in the season or during the playoffs causing him to miss 2017. Lets say we pick up the 5th and he tears something in Sept. This injury would cause Jones to miss 2016 but he would be ready to go by 2017. As i understand it, we could still cut him and not have to pay the 8 million. Here is a link that explains the rule in detail, its a year or so old but the rule is still the same:
http://mmqb.si.com/2014/05/02/nfl-2011-draft-fifth-year-option
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Coach you're reading way to much into the right now part. Right now his stock is not comparable to Heyward or DeCastro. I live in the now, but to say you know the future is foolish. JJ has 88 tackles, 5 sacks, 1 Int, 2 FR, 1FF a few years into a injury riddled start to a career at age 26. That's 3 years into a career with a serious wrist injury and a rookie year he probably had no business being out there.
At age 26, 3 years into a career here are some other stats 90 tackles, 4 sacks, 1 Int, 1 FR, 0 FF. These are the stats of James Harrison. A similar number of games played too. Leave the past out of it (draft status). Compare the players at the same point in their respective careers. Do I think JJ will be the next silverback? No.,, but he could be, that is for the future to play out. So no, RIGHT NOW his stock (JJ) is not the same as DeCastro or Heyward. But to say you or I know whether it will increase or decrease is foolish. Once again, I live in the now and right now their respective stocks aren't comparable. I am not implying that it will be, but stranger things have happened. Hell, how many times was James cut before he became the most dominant LB in the league? Jus sayin'...
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Harrison was an athletic freak that was transitioning to a new position as an undrafted FA. He had problems picking up the playbook and did not play nearly as much as Jarvis did so those stats are even skewered further in Harrison's favor. Jarvis was drafted as a play now 3-4 OLB due to his vast experience playing the EXACT same position in the great SEC. There is no way you risk an 8 million dollar on a street free agent talent like Jarvis.
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Clete your reading comprehension is lacking. First comparing only the players, leaving draft status out of it. The two played an even number of games and snaps. Saying JJ was the starter last year when he split snaps 45/55 with James is just another way to bag on JJ. Their snap counts are very similar through their careered at age 26. James had trouble overcoming the play book, JJ had troubles overcoming a serious wrist injury. If you know anything about the injury and playing LB the wrist is crucial. I'm not saying he will turn into James, but he is far above street free agent talent...street free agents don't usually get defensive snaps. I also have been saying all through the thread that 3year 10m is where he should be, not the 5th year tender at almost 9. This is just another case of hating on JJ because Tombert drafted him too early. If he was a UDFA he would be a fan favorite at this stage of his career. Step up the reading comprehension bro
Jones just doesn't have the strength to compete at the NFL level. I'm a big UGA guy but Jarvis only excelled on being "ole". The guy has a back problem that leaves him one good hit from being in wheelchair. USC ruled him unsuited to play. I dont understand why UGA gave him a go ahead. I dont know why the Steelers took him at that