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Sadly it is what is at this point and has been for years.
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32 teams x 2 outside corners is 64, then account for injuries and often used subs that is 64+, chief. Not sure where your math isn't mathing.
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Joey Porter this season according to one site
- 0 TDs allowed
- 12 Pass Deflections
- 50% cmp% allowed
- 53.3 passer rating allowed
- 1 INT
- 1 sack
- Under 250 yards allowed
My math is just fine. It was YOU who said that 64 was derived from outside and inside corners. There are 64 total OUTSIDE starting corners to rank. Not sure you understand what math is. And #23 out of 64 doesn't even put Porter in the top third of the league to start with, so I have no idea what you're crowing about.
At one unnamed site. lol
Which site was that? steelerinlebanon.com?
In 2024, some site had him allowing a passer rating of 69.5. Another had him at 92.2 for the same season. It's all subjective, including your beloved PFF, and you throwing some random numbers out there proves nothing. Plus any football fan with eyeballs knows it should be at least 1 TD allowed and only 11 PDs, if not for the arcane NFL rulebook.
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I said 64+ the plus includes the rest. You know what 64+ means? Those numbers I posted are not subjective ranking they are stats, the PFF ranking is subjective to be sure. Even if you count the Likely non-td that stat line is still damn good. He is our best man cover corner. He is one of the best man cover corners in the league even with the penalties. The 6 against the Bengals were a product of trying to caver two very physical receivers who could have easily been flagged themselves for OPI but reputation gives Tee and Chase the benefit of the doubt. In light of who he has had to cover his stats aside from penalties look pretty damn good.
I'm beginning to think that 64+ might refer to your IQ. Any asshoIe knows that there are 32 starting RCBs and 32 LCBs in the NFL, and even by your own stupid ranking which YOU offered YOURSELF, Porter is 23rd...and therefore NOT one of the best man cover corners in the league BY YOUR OWN GIVEN METRIC. JFC. Evidently Porter isn't even the best man cover corner on the Steelers, because Zay Flowers had a field day.
And let me explain something else to you: The only non-subjective numbers you posted are INTs and sacks. Even PDs are not always cut-and-dried, and because of zone coverages, all the other crap like passer rating against is open for interpretation. That's why there's wildly different numbers from different sources for the same player in the same season.
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Not all starting corners are man specialists, many play predominantly zone schemes. You seem to have a hard on against Porter. You don’t need to explain **** to me. Not with your attitude. Penalties aside he IS one the best or better man to man guys in the league. He isn’t as good in zone. You seem to lack any ability to realize the differences. Saying he isn’t one of the best man coverage corners isn’t the same as saying he is one the best overall corners in the league. You read what you want to read and not what is actually being said. Whether you like them or not there are subjective and objective numbers that back that stance. Sure he has lots of room to improve and he has every year.
Yes, penalties aside, penalties aside. Of course we'll just have to ignore those. I wonder where Porter accumulates most of these pass interference calls. Hmmm....could it be when he's in man coverage? Naw, must be in zone....right?
Your hard-on for Porter reminds me of your former raging hard-on for Mike Tomlin that has finally shrunk down to its tiny self, after years and years of people beating you up. This one will too, eventually.
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There are 18 DB's with more or as many penalties as Porter, nine of them have 6, like Porter...and of those 9, 4 have more yardage attached, 3 have the same (+/- 1 yard), sbd 2 have less...
Do you know who on the steelers has more penalties? DK
Do you know who on the steelers has more penalties? DK
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The issue with Porter is that he was also flagged a lot in college. It's one of the reasons he slipped a bit in the draft, and it has carried over into the NFL.
He seems to lack a feel for zone and holds too much in man. His tackling is sketchy as well.
He isn't bad, as he does have decent cover skills, but has been disappointing compared to what it looked like he could become as a rookie.
"feel" for the zone
Man press corners often draw penalties... thats less relevant than Porters missed tackles this year... porter is far better than his detractors say... but as with ike, if a guy cant intercept gimme balls with any regularity, teams may force things at his coverage, especially if he occasionally misses tackles and has a bad rep for PI..
Probably half of being a successful CB is reputation that keeps qbs from challenging you when you have decent coverage.
Probably half of being a successful CB is reputation that keeps qbs from challenging you when you have decent coverage.
Right on man,
And the same could be said for wide receivers and OPI.
First of all, Porter has 8 penalties this season, so you're wrong.
And how many of those DBs have also missed 3.5 games?
Do you know what DK has to do with a discussion about Porter? Nothing.
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Two separate sites listing him with 6, so....
Jarvis Browley - 9 games, 10 penalties
Pat Surtain II - 11 games, 8 penalties
Brian Branch - 12 games, 7 penalties
Marshon Lattimore - 9 games, 7 penalties
AJ Terrell - 12 games, 7 penalties
Jourdan Lewis - 11 games - 6 penalties
A couple others have missed a game or two. As for what does DK have to do with this, where's the outrage for him being a penalty magnet? Is it reputation based again?
So all this tells us, Porter is not as bad as you're making him out to be. If one were to read just what you write about him, and not watch any tape, you would think he has single handedly lost us games because of all the penalties and yards he gives up, but it's just not the case. He's very solid
From the very same site you listed first:
I count eight. Declined penalties are still penalties, nonetheless. I guess you can pretend they didn't happen, since it helps your argument.
What this tells us is that Porter is at or near the top of the league amongst defensive backs who have the most penalties against them per game. Again.
It's still not a DK discussion, but you keep injecting him for your own reasons. Never looked into it before. Yeah, seems like a lot of penalties for a wide receiver. Happy?
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So Porter is the only DB that you'll judge by declined penalties too? Talk about bias...
I'm done with you, you simply want to hate on him.
Not at all. But the reality which you refuse to acknowledge is that Porter indeed committed those penalties, whether they were accepted or not. The fact that they happened to be declined because the opposing offense didn't need to enforce them is irrelevant. To simply pretend it didn't happen is the ultimate bias. Hard to believe that you can't grasp this concept. Or maybe it isn't.
I wasn’t in favor of drafting Porter as early as they did.
His career has started off very slowly, however he does play one of the most difficult positions to succeed at in all the sports.
Say what you will, the young man has the pedigree, athletic ability, mentality,and skill sets to be a top 10 corner in this league.
He is still very young, but this season has showed some real progression in his trade and promise of becoming that guy.
My opinion is he deserves an extension with the Steelers.
His career has started off very slowly, however he does play one of the most difficult positions to succeed at in all the sports.
Say what you will, the young man has the pedigree, athletic ability, mentality,and skill sets to be a top 10 corner in this league.
He is still very young, but this season has showed some real progression in his trade and promise of becoming that guy.
My opinion is he deserves an extension with the Steelers.
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Madden doesn't seem to like JPJ; he is about 50th on their CB list.
Are you referring to John Madden?
I think he is referencing the game..
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Tent? We can't afford a tent, so we are happy to have our igloo for the past few weeks.Telepathically Dino. Con likes to set up an Ouija Board in his tent for a little extra cash come Christmas time at all the Markets. Tarot Card readings is a close second in revenue.
Or a Ouija Board, so we use the old bones; you know, from the moose knuckles.
I remember Mom and Dad packing us 4 kids up in the brand new Dodge Station Wagon and driving down to La Jolla then San Diego for family vacation. We met lots of people our age,the questions were frigging hilarious. Do you have running water where you live,do you use televisions,more than a couple thought we still live in igloos. Lots of bathroom questions. No one could think where British Columbia was on a map.