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Is Kevin Johnson worthy of 22nd pick overall

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They said he bulked up to 185, but his lack of size and tackling ability scare me. RB's got 40+ lbs on him. Personally I'd take jalen Collins over him. Why do you think?
 
KJ is my preference out of all of the cbs. J. Collins has great potential but only started 10 games. I do like Collins if KJ is already gone.
 
I think he's the most likely pick for us at #22 and he would be worth it if the consensus, round one edge rushers are all gone. This draft is really meh.
 
Analysis
Strengths Smooth hips with excellent balance. Very natural in man coverage. Has feet and discipline to play square and mirror against complex routes. Has low, controlled backpedal. Disruptive in press coverage -- alters routes and slows receivers. Can easily transition laterally and has quick-twitch to break on throws in front of him. Flips hips and accelerates against vertical routes. Crowds wideouts on perimeter and constricts target area for deep boundary throws. Plays stronger than his listed weight. Has athleticism and enough speed to recover when beaten. Decisive player. Fights to disengage and support against the run. Willing to drop shoulder and lay lumber as zone defender. Usually followed opponent's best receiver around the field.
Weaknesses Has a lanky frame with a very thin lower body. Gets fooled by head fakes downfield and turned around too often. Late to turn and find ball at times. Missed too many tackles as senior. Thin frame a concern as NFL run supporter. Will show too much respect to deep speed and allow separation by receivers who slam on brakes and catch passes in front of him. Ejected from Louisville game for targeting. Flagged nine times for 132 yards over the last two seasons.
Draft Projection Round 1 or 2
NFL Comparison Sam Shields
Bottom Line Johnson is a three-year starting cornerback who showed great improvement in man coverage from 2013 to 2014. While he lacks desired weight at the position, his cover skills, athleticism and competitiveness give him a shot to come in and start right away. Johnson can play gunner on special teams.

I have copied his draft profile on here but have some reservations regarding this kid. He has good height. He seems to be a bit under sized and has issues with dealing with fakes and finding the ball as well as missing tackles. He might be the best that is left when we pick but he does not sound like he is going to be that much better than what else is behind him. To clarify he sounds like he has a few serious issues with his game as do the ones behind him, they just might be different issues. He is also not that fast 4.52 in shorts, for a corner. I wonder what Ike's speed was last year, I know at one time he was tremendously faster than everyone on the team but now wonder what his 40 time was at the end of his time on the field.
 
No. If we draft Johnson at #22 I will get so hammered drunk I won't see who is drafted #32. If we traded down and pick up a 2nd or 3rd fine go with Johnson but at #22... NO!
 
Is he worth the pick? If Waynes and the best pass rushers are gone...it would be settling. Johnson to me is a slight reach here. If we traded down we can get him late in round one, or perhaps even early in round two then I'd be happier with the pick.
 
FordFairLane said:
No. If we draft Johnson at #22 I will get so hammered drunk I won't see who is drafted #32. If we traded down and pick up a 2nd or 3rd fine go with Johnson but at #22... NO!
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agree
 
There isn't much high-end talent at cornerback this year, which is pushing guys like Johnson up the draft board. He's probably a solid second-round pick, but probably will get drafted higher with teams looking to get a corner before there is a run on them.
 
Depends who is on the board really. Assuming all the 1st round edge rushers are gone, Landon Collins is gone, perhaps even the 2 best NT/DT's then who's the pick? I would love to trade back and get some extra picks but lets say we do and then someone else takes him instead, or what if we cant find a trading partner? It seems like every player who gets mentioned as our pick doesn't have #22 value (maxx williams, eli harold etc). We have to pick someone, so under that scenario id go with Johnson.
 
The steelers are in desperate need of a CB so if they take one in the first, it will be hard to fault the pick.

I think Johnson would be the nickel CB for the steelers. He'd be their new Deshea Townsend. Gay is reliable. Cortez is bigger and more physical. They probably "start" Gay and Allen and then play Johnson in nickel. Nickel CB is pretty much a starting position these days.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
The steelers are in desperate need of a CB so if they take one in the first, it will be hard to fault the pick.

I think Johnson would be the nickel CB for the steelers. He'd be their new Deshea Townsend. Gay is reliable. Cortez is bigger and more physical. They probably "start" Gay and Allen and then play Johnson in nickel. Nickel CB is pretty much a starting position these days.
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The need is HUGE, but we can't afford a Troy Edwards like reach. The value picks are corner are not in round one...more like rounds two or three. I wish Johnson was a little faster and heavier.

Gay had his best year, but it would be asking too much for him to play as well in 2015. Cortez Allen is a mess. I think Allen's not quick enough for the slot, and not fast enough to cover deep. He has nice hands and length. Try him at FS. Whichever corner we pick has to challenge Allen for a starting job by November.
 
I think we're taking an Offensive Tackle first round. Or a Safety. Steelers don't value corners,, I think we have our solution to the OLB on the team.

I was thinking BPA.. But the needs on Defense is so glaring,,

Ill go with safety
 
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Coach said:
Is he worth the pick? If Waynes and the best pass rushers are gone...it would be settling. Johnson to me is a slight reach here. If we traded down we can get him late in round one, or perhaps even early in round two then I'd be happier with the pick.
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Classic Coach post. Nothing actually said. "I'd be happy if we traded down and still got the guy" applies to pretty much every top player in the draft.
 
I would not force a CB in round 1 over an OLB.

I think the value in OLB's has a very good chance of dropping off a cliff before we pick again in round 2. If that is a priority position and a must-have in this draft, it has to be a GREAT talent in round 1 not to pull the trigger on your #1 OLB left on your board.

That's why I think the only positions that could force us not to take an OLB would be Waynes (that's a reach he's available) or a WR that Colbert has just fallen in love with. I don't think they will grade any of the D-lineman higher than the pass rushers.

If I was a gambling man, I'm saying we draft OLB at maybe 75% in the first round. WR is 15%. DL is 5% and CB is 5%.

We'll see.
 
deljzc said:
I would not force a CB in round 1 over an OLB.

I think the value in OLB's has a very good chance of dropping off a cliff before we pick again in round 2. If that is a priority position and a must-have in this draft, it has to be a GREAT talent in round 1 not to pull the trigger on your #1 OLB left on your board.

That's why I think the only positions that could force us not to take an OLB would be Waynes (that's a reach he's available) or a WR that Colbert has just fallen in love with. I don't think they will grade any of the D-lineman higher than the pass rushers.

If I was a gambling man, I'm saying we draft OLB at maybe 75% in the first round. WR is 15%. DL is 5% and CB is 5%.

We'll see.
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I agree about the drop-off in the second before we pick. However, do you think the probably OLB's that are left at 1.22 are worth that pick? I'm not convince that they will be. Probably, not much of a reach at that point, but I'm thinking it is about the same reach as Johnson would be.

I'd be happy with a trade back to 27/28. I think Johnson and/or the OLB that is left at #1 on our board will still be there and I have something extra.
 
ark steel said:
I agree about the drop-off in the second before we pick. However, do you think the probably OLB's that are left at 1.22 are worth that pick? I'm not convince that they will be. Probably, not much of a reach at that point, but I'm thinking it is about the same reach as Johnson would be.

I'd be happy with a trade back to 27/28. I think Johnson and/or the OLB that is left at #1 on our board will still be there and I have something extra.
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Yup, that's the question. Del, what OLB is worth taking if Beasley, Gregory, Ray, Fowler, Bud Dupree & are all off the board?
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
not throwing darts here del, but I cant see us taking a WR round 1 under ANY circumstance.
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The talent in this draft says otherwise. And Colbert consistently says they don't pick need they pick talent.

If WR is not on their board (and Colbert has admitted that sometimes they take TE and/or QB off their 1st round board in the past), then why are we bringing in Coates, Perriman and Parker for visits?

The top 5-6 WR's in this class are exceptional talents. Especially when you take in to account some of the other weak positions.

When the Steelers put their big board together, I'm telling you right now there are going to be a LOT of WR's in the top-30. If the draft falls right, someone like Perriman or Parker might be there and if the OLB's are gone, that could very much be the pick.
 
From reading the draft info from TMC that was so nicely posted to this sight there were some defensive backs that were much faster and taller than this guy. I did not learn all their names so I can't name them. With that being said I think there are some gems in the rough in the draft that may not have the film or have gone to the big schools but have the height and speed as well as some agility that are better than some of these big school players. I do not think we will have players that get taller or much faster after being drafted but coaching can help them get better.
 
SteelerAl said:
Classic Coach post. Nothing actually said. "I'd be happy if we traded down and still got the guy" applies to pretty much every top player in the draft.
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Read between the lines Al, or quote me in full context.

I want one of the following players before Johnson: Waynes, Gregory, Fowler, Ray, Dupree, Beasley, and Brown. Maybe Dupree, Gregory, or Brown will on the board at pick #22. We'll see

If we can't trade down, all of the above guys guys have been selected for me its either Johnson or Peters. I prefer Peters, but I do not have an FBI like background report on the man, or testimonials on his character. The Steelers do.

I would be okay with Johnson just because CB is a huge need, but not exactly excited.

The players I do not want at pick #22 Odighizuwa, and L. Collins.

Clear as mud now? Thanks for keeping score and playing!
 
Coach said:
Read between the lines Al, or quote me in full context.

I want one of the following players before Johnson: Waynes, Gregory, Fowler, Ray, Dupree, Beasley, and Brown. Maybe Dupree, Gregory, or Brown will on the board at pick #22. We'll see

If we can't trade down, all of the above guys guys have been selected for me its either Johnson or Peters. I prefer Peters, but I do not have an FBI like background report on the man, or testimonials on his character. The Steelers do.

I would be okay with Johnson just because CB is a huge need, but not exactly excited.

The players I do not want at pick #22 Odighizuwa, and L. Collins.

Clear as mud now? Thanks for keeping score and playing!
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Much better, that's Coach performing up to his potential! [even veterans need a little hard coaching every now and then]
 
Wingman said:
From reading the draft info from TMC that was so nicely posted to this sight there were some defensive backs that were much faster and taller than this guy. I did not learn all their names so I can't name them. With that being said I think there are some gems in the rough in the draft that may not have the film or have gone to the big schools but have the height and speed as well as some agility that are better than some of these big school players. I do not think we will have players that get taller or much faster after being drafted but coaching can help them get better.
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Yup, there are some big CBs that can be had in rounds 2-3 (guys like Rowe, Carter etc) and some smaller, slot CBs that can be had in rounds 4-5. I wouldn't mind that sort of double-dip instead of going CB at all costs in round 1.
 
deljzc said:
The talent in this draft says otherwise. And Colbert consistently says they don't pick need they pick talent.

If WR is not on their board (and Colbert has admitted that sometimes they take TE and/or QB off their 1st round board in the past), then why are we bringing in Coates, Perriman and Parker for visits?

The top 5-6 WR's in this class are exceptional talents. Especially when you take in to account some of the other weak positions.

When the Steelers put their big board together, I'm telling you right now there are going to be a LOT of WR's in the top-30. If the draft falls right, someone like Perriman or Parker might be there and if the OLB's are gone, that could very much be the pick.
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It's not insane at all to think we might do something like WR, OLB, CB, CB for our first four picks.

Let's put it this way: the top 5 OLBs and the top 3 CBs are all gone by pick #22 (I've seen plenty of mocks that look like that and those mocks usually have us taking an offensive lineman or Landon Collins). What to do? Do you reach for a CB or OLB that has a round 2 grade if DeVante Parker is still sitting there and he has a top 15 grade? Wouldn't reaching be a classic ****-up like taking Troy Edwards when Jevon Kearse was available?

You know a part of Tombert is thinking it's not the worse thing in the world to build upon strength and make the offense even stronger, especially in the red zone (AB, Bryant & Devante Parker on the field with Heath & Bell sounds pretty good...).
 
deljzc said:
The talent in this draft says otherwise. And Colbert consistently says they don't pick need they pick talent.

If WR is not on their board (and Colbert has admitted that sometimes they take TE and/or QB off their 1st round board in the past), then why are we bringing in Coates, Perriman and Parker for visits?

The top 5-6 WR's in this class are exceptional talents. Especially when you take in to account some of the other weak positions.

When the Steelers put their big board together, I'm telling you right now there are going to be a LOT of WR's in the top-30. If the draft falls right, someone like Perriman or Parker might be there and if the OLB's are gone, that could very much be the pick.
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then we trade Wheaton for a starting OLB, done deal.
 
Coach said:
Read between the lines Al, or quote me in full context.

I want one of the following players before Johnson: Waynes, Gregory, Fowler, Ray, Dupree, Beasley, and Brown. Maybe Dupree, Gregory, or Brown will on the board at pick #22. We'll see

If we can't trade down, all of the above guys guys have been selected for me its either Johnson or Peters. I prefer Peters, but I do not have an FBI like background report on the man, or testimonials on his character. The Steelers do.

I would be okay with Johnson just because CB is a huge need, but not exactly excited.

The players I do not want at pick #22 Odighizuwa, and L. Collins.

Clear as mud now? Thanks for keeping score and playing!
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I think you are saying the same thing as I am. There are 2-3 guys you like and expect to be there at 1.22. You value them somewhat equally, but not quite a 1.22 value on either. If you can trade back a few spots, you expect at least one of them to still be available (maybe more than 1). You still get a guy you would have been willing to take at 1.22 along with more pick(s).
 
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