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Sean Payton listening to Offers for Keenan Lewis

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Saw on CBS Sports that Sean is listening to offers for Keenan Lewis. He basically said he accommodate a player that didn't want to be here. He's got a manageable contract I believe it was 5 years 25 mil and has three years left. I'd talk to him if I'm Kevin Colbert. Why the hell not, he's far better than anything we have presently and his contract is a tad less than Cortez Allen's I believe. Wouldn't he be worth a 5'th or a 6'th round pick? Hell, he's plug and play here since he knows the system. That's a huge upgrade back there and if the Steelers can mange the contract which I think they could why not? I wouldn't stop there either when they bring in Patrick Robinson Monday. If the price is right you sign him and now you have Lewis, Robinson, Allen, Gay and Blake. That's better than last year.First round of draft then I grab my OLB'er maybe Bud Dupree.
 
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His numbers for the next three years are pretty reasonable. I think it is only 3mil a year--plus or minus. The rest of his contract has either already been paid or will roll in to the Saints on a trade or cut. We would not be responsible for any signing or roster bonuses--only the actual yearly salary.

It could be a good move... IF... IF... IF... he wants to come here and "play well with others." His contract without any bonus monies, etc. (paragraph 5, I believe) would allow us to cut him at any time with very little cost. THAT cost will already have been covered by the Saints.

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Zero point in getting excited about this. He's going to end up a patriot
 
steelhurt said:
Saw on CBS Sports that Sean is listening to offers for Keenan Lewis. He basically said he accommodate a player that didn't want to be here. He's got a manageable contract I believe it was 5 years 25 mil and has three years left. I'd talk to him if I'm Kevin Colbert. Why the hell not, he's far better than anything we have presently and his contract is a tad less than Cortez Allen's I believe. Wouldn't he be worth a 5'th or a 6'th round pick? Hell, he's plug and play here since he knows the system. That's a huge upgrade back there and if the Steelers can mange the contract which I think they could why not? I wouldn't stop there either when they bring in Patrick Robinson Monday. If the price is right you sign him and now you have Lewis, Robinson, Allen, Gay and Blake. That's better than last year.First round of draft then I grab my OLB'er maybe Bud Dupree.
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I really like this idea. It does improve our secondary instantly.

I'm still concerned with the pass rush; but I'm sure they have a plan...right?
 
Guy has wanted out in his last two locations. Isn't that room for concern?
 
awboatguy said:
He is that pro athlete who still believes it when his mama tells him he is the greatest. he's not a shutdown guy, but he is serviceable.
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I was just getting ready to say he thinks he is way better than he actually is. Obviously teams don't agree because as soon as he starts his **** they let him walk or in the Saints case, look to ship him somewhere else.
 
I thought Keenan didn't play very well in NO? Whats the appeal here?
 
He's not just going to be traded and want to make his current contract (which would be an okay bargain).

He wants a new deal.

Personally, I can't stand players that get to free agency and based on their merits take the best contract available, pocket the up-front money in the first two seasons and then in year 3 start bitching when the contract THEY SIGNED starts to work financially for the team.

If Keenan Lewis was worth more money in year 3 than what he is getting then he would have gotten that when he was a free agent. He didn't because he's not that good.

Quit bitching. Like I said before, if I was the Saints I'd tell him to pound sand. He's either playing for us or he's not playing anywhere. I could care less about the 5th or 6th round pick he's going to be worth anyhow. That's not equivalent value for a guy who gave me 900 defensive snaps last year.
 
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steelhurt said:
Saw on CBS Sports that Sean is listening to offers for Keenan Lewis. He basically said he accommodate a player that didn't want to be here. He's got a manageable contract I believe it was 5 years 25 mil and has three years left. I'd talk to him if I'm Kevin Colbert. Why the hell not, he's far better than anything we have presently and his contract is a tad less than Cortez Allen's I believe. Wouldn't he be worth a 5'th or a 6'th round pick? Hell, he's plug and play here since he knows the system. That's a huge upgrade back there and if the Steelers can mange the contract which I think they could why not? I wouldn't stop there either when they bring in Patrick Robinson Monday. If the price is right you sign him and now you have Lewis, Robinson, Allen, Gay and Blake. That's better than last year.First round of draft then I grab my OLB'er maybe Bud Dupree.
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I would love to see this happen, Lewis, Robinson, Allen, Gay, Webb and Blake is a major upgrade then what we had. And if you look at it what is a 5th or 6th....last year Richardson gone......2013 Hawthorne gone......2012 Frederick gone all 5th or later rounds who pretty much didn't do crap for us, give up the pick for Lewis.
I also think we can draft a good prospect later in the draft like round 4 and let him learn so he is ready for next year, this class is deep at CB. Just a few names I would look at as a later round guy I would look at are Rowe(moving up), Glenn, Gaines(really liking this guy more and more, former wr and special teams player, playmaker), Doss and Swann. A lot of these guys have college experience in out type of coverage and with a year to learn in our system could be a future star.
Now the last part of your post is major, if we were able to get Lewis we could focus on pass rusher. With FA not working for us we need help here at OLB in the draft bad and with CB taken care of we can put our attention here in the first two rounds. I have a feeling Dupree is going to go in front of us but I have a feeling our guy is going to be Harlod. The guy I am hoping is there in the 2nd is Kikaha but his 2 acl tears scares me. Other names that could help are Muldin, Thompson, Golden, Orchard, Flowers and Smith. There are some nice guys we could look at later in the draft and potential stars but getting Lewis would be a very good help in letting us focus on OLB.
I also feel a Ball hawking Safety which there looks to be a few this year would be a nice add, which again getting Lewis and signing Robinson will allow us to focus on. Just these two moves could help us fix many more problem on our defense and won't cost us very much. I like it, get it done..........
 
deljzc said:
He's not just going to be traded and want to make his current contract (which would be an okay bargain).

He wants a new deal.

Personally, I can't stand players that get to free agency and based on their merits take the best contract available, pocket the up-front money in the first two seasons and then in year 3 start bitching when the contract THEY SIGNED starts to work financially for the team.

If Keenan Lewis was worth more money in year 3 than what he is getting then he would have gotten that when he was a free agent. He didn't because he's not that good.

Quit bitching. Like I said before, if I was the Saints I'd tell him to pound sand. He's either playing for us or he's not playing anywhere. I could care less about the 5th or 6th round pick he's going to be worth anyhow. That's not equivalent value for a guy who gave me 900 defensive snaps last year.
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Can you blame them though?

They play in the most lucrative and most violent sport on earth where the owners can cut them at the drop of a dime. I have no problems with any player trying to maximize has $$.
 
awboatguy said:
Hell we'll throw in a like-new scrambling former ACC player of the year QB along with it. Hmmmm, how does that sound now?
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And a HOF S with great hair.
 
Bigappleyinzer said:
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Can you blame them though?

They play in the most lucrative and most violent sport on earth where the owners can cut them at the drop of a dime. I have no problems with any player trying to maximize has $$.
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I absolutely can. I don't care what line of work you are in. Police Officers, Fire Fighters, Pilots and many other people have more life threatening and dangerous jobs than professional football. Factor in that football players make 10 or 20 times the amount of money that they do, but you don't hear about public servants refusing to honor their contract. If you sign the contract, shut your ******* piehole and play it out. I have zero sympathy for millionaire professional athletes bitching about money and the perils of the job. Don't want to play football? Go find a job in whatever field you went to college for. Didn't earn a degree? Go back and finish it.
 
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Bigappleyinzer said:
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Can you blame them though?

They play in the most lucrative and most violent sport on earth where the owners can cut them at the drop of a dime. I have no problems with any player trying to maximize has $$.
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I don't have a problem with the athletes trying to maximize their $, but the time to do that is at contract negotiations. 2 years later, and you are complaining. People here jizzin their pants at how great he's played since leaving here, blaming locker room issues on all the other players that left that they didn't like and Lewis is already complaining about where he is now.

If they do get him, I will hope he does well, but I hope they don't trade for him. There must have been some reason they didn't offer him a contract the first time.
 
ark steel said:
I don't have a problem with the athletes trying to maximize their $, but the time to do that is at contract negotiations. 2 years later, and you are complaining. People here jizzin their pants at how great he's played since leaving here, blaming locker room issues on all the other players that left that they didn't like and Lewis is already complaining about where he is now.

If they do get him, I will hope he does well, but I hope they don't trade for him. There must have been some reason they didn't offer him a contract the first time.
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Probably was his attitude and it doesn't seem to have changed.
 
ark steel said:
I don't have a problem with the athletes trying to maximize their $, but the time to do that is at contract negotiations. 2 years later, and you are complaining. People here jizzin their pants at how great he's played since leaving here, blaming locker room issues on all the other players that left that they didn't like and Lewis is already complaining about where he is now.

If they do get him, I will hope he does well, but I hope they don't trade for him. There must have been some reason they didn't offer him a contract the first time.
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I think the difference in the NFL, compared to say the NHL, is that the hockey contracts are guaranteed, while the football contracts are really year-to-year from ownership's perspective. There are rare, guaranteed amounts, like we will find out (today?) with Ben, but contracts like Lewis's, frontloaded to attract him for 2 years simply imply renegotiation when he outplays that part of the deal. See the Steelers and Ike last year or Harrison the year before or Troy now to understand that most contracts are really a series of linked one year deals where the player takes the financial risk. If I was a player, it would be about maximizing the expected value of my contract or contracts; that owners can sign players to long term deals, but drop them, cut them or force a much lower deal gives them great leverage.

Pretty much the only leverage the player has is behavior, attitude and effort, and with the right combination, you get a SB ring (Blount). I know the cap considerations muck up the actual situation in real time, but that doesn't enter into an individual's expected value of a limited career span. I'd like to think that I would act very differently than whiny players in attempting to negotiate via the press and via my attitude, but I have seen plenty of so-called stand-up guys ***** and moan about their situations in much smaller deals outside of sports. That just doesn't get publicized and critiqued, though I would really like that....
 
He was a FA and wanted to go home. I think that's why the steelers didn't offer him a contract. He seemed set on returning to NO. Now NO doesn't want him and he is signed to a contract. Personally, I'd trade him for a 6th and wouldn't redo his contract. I'd keep it as is.

NO doesn't have to pay his bonus, because they already did when he signed his contract. His signing bonus is NO's dead money, not ours if we get him. Only his salary counts against our cap. At the current price, it's a no brainer.
 
Any trade will have to be accompanied with a new deal.,.that's why he's causing waves. He'll want at least a Cortez Allen deal.
 
Also Del, I believe his current contract is 2, 4, 4mil which is 10mil. He wants that money guaranteed. I'd split the difference with 5mil bonus with 1mil salary, 2mil in years 2 and 3. If he puts in 2 good years, we renegotiate in year 3 which would be another pay day for him. I think he'd be happy to play for that and our cap numbers would be 2.67, 3.67, 3.67. Great value for a starter, and a lower cap hit than Cortez.
 
Steel Ballin said:
Any trade will have to be accompanied with a new deal.,.that's why he's causing waves. He'll want at least a Cortez Allen deal.
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How many here wouldn't give him Cortez's deal, then cut Cortez? If that only cost a 5th or 6th for a starting CB, wouldn't the Steelers jump on it? '

Hell, the Steelers should keep both, find a FA OLB off the scrap heap and still go CB in R1.
 
Steel Ballin said:
Any trade will have to be accompanied with a new deal.,.that's why he's causing waves. He'll want at least a Cortez Allen deal.
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Why does it have to be accompanied with a new deal? NO can trade his contract to whoever they want. The new team does not have to renegotiate. If the team wants to play hard ball, they fine the **** out of him when Keenan chooses to hold out. Much smarter to make money than lose money when you don't have any bargaining power. If he was a better player, a holdout could work. In this situation, the teams have him by the balls.
 
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