You guys really DO hate Ben don't you?

[steelerscotty]

We should sign Ben to a huge contract with a record bonus. Then trade him, cause we would be responsible for the bonus against our cap for 7 years, and this would make him more tradeable. We could then count on Landry to be our QB (cause as some idiot pointed out on another site: "obviously Landrys problems are because our QB's coach sucks") until we can find the next great QB in the draft. We can then spend all our money on guys with questionable off the field conduct, because you know, that NEVER burns us or anyone EVER. Now i must go shower to wash all this sarcasm off . . .

 

[Wingman]

I'm sure you think it would be good news if the Steelers let him go and signed a rookie so their cap space would be maximized. Lots of teams win SBs with nobody QBs. Hell the Steelers won tons of SBs with Kordell Stewart, Kent Graham, Maddox ETC... Boy the good ole days when cheap QBs lead the Steelers to the promise land...

So how long has it been since we won the super bowl with Ben, how long since we won a playoff game? It does not look like he can get us there with a top wide out on the team as well as him. Now I am not dumping on Ben but he needs a team and it looks like he might be drawing social security before a team is built around the qb position in the burgh the way they are going.

 

[Coryea]

So how long has it been since we won the super bowl with Ben, how long since we won a playoff game? It does not look like he can get us there with a top wide out on the team as well as him. Now I am not dumping on Ben but he needs a team and it looks like he might be drawing social security before a team is built around the qb position in the burgh the way they are going.

prior to this season, how long was it since Brady won a super bowl? I doubt anyone wanted to drop him in NE, there are other franchise qb's in the nfl. How many have we won with Ben?

 

[Wingman]

My point is it takes a team to win it all and the team that shows up on Sunday is not enough. The ravens beat us quite handily. Ben is not washed up but I do not think he is still "in his prime". He is still good and will continue to slip in quality from now on, even though he may still have the occasional game like the two he had at over 500 yards this past season. We may actually get to a point where his replacement can be drafted not this year but likely next year and allowed to develop. I think the schedule, the continued deterioration of our defense will take a major toll on the record, along with the team lack of effort that seems to show up through out the season.

 

[Vader]

My point is it takes a team to win it all and the team that shows up on Sunday is not enough. The ravens beat us quite handily. Ben is not washed up but I do not think he is still "in his prime". He is still good and will continue to slip in quality from now on, even though he may still have the occasional game like the two he had at over 500 yards this past season. We may actually get to a point where his replacement can be drafted not this year but likely next year and allowed to develop. I think the schedule, the continued deterioration of our defense will take a major toll on the record, along with the team lack of effort that seems to show up through out the season.

What's kept the Steelers from winning is drafting. Bad players taken too high. That has nothing to do with Ben. Like I said, name the last time the Steelers won a SB with a great team and a lesser QB. The Steelers don't sniff a SB over the past 10 years without Ben. They need to draft better NOT look for some rookie QB of the future. We've had tons of those.

 

[insaniti]

What's kept the Steelers from winning is drafting. Bad players taken too high. That has nothing to do with Ben. Like I said, name the last time the Steelers won a SB with a great team and a lesser QB. The Steelers don't sniff a SB over the past 10 years without Ben. They need to draft better NOT look for some rookie QB of the future. We've had tons of those.

Not to mention it's not the offense that's holding this team back. It wasn't just Ben's two insane games that put our offensive numbers where they were. The offensive skill players are set, and people expecting a "slip" in quality from Ben haven't been paying attention lately. It's like that's what they want to see or are hoping to see.

The problems this team has is mainly on defense. We don't have any OLB that strike fear into any OC in the world. Our CB position might be the worst it's ever been. There were times last year people were "happy" that Blake and McCain were getting playing time. Blake and McCain played above their expectations last year, but if either are starting for us next year, expect more of the same issues we had this past year in the secondary. Our drafted replacement for Troy can't stay on the field longer than a quarter without pulling something. Those are the issues with this team...

As for the title of the thread, kiss my ***. Go back to some of the threads we had last year, or even during the season when Ben was carrying us. There was plenty of hate thrown his way. Lots of "lets trade Ben" talk too. So the title definitely fits THIS BOARD.

 

[STEELERS R GR8]

My point is it takes a team to win it all and the team that shows up on Sunday is not enough. The ravens beat us quite handily. Ben is not washed up but I do not think he is still "in his prime". He is still good and will continue to slip in quality from now on, even though he may still have the occasional game like the two he had at over 500 yards this past season. We may actually get to a point where his replacement can be drafted not this year but likely next year and allowed to develop. I think the schedule, the continued deterioration of our defense will take a major toll on the record, along with the team lack of effort that seems to show up through out the season.

This is so off base, the Ravens beat us with what a QB who is the #3 highest paid QB. Oh and by the way the highest paid QB.....Rodgers and I think that is working out fine for the Pack. Top 5 paid QB's in order Rodgers, Ryan, Flacco, Brees and Manning, other then Ryan these guys win for their teams. The one thing that we as Steeler fans should know is you can't win without a QB. Ben is getting better not getting worse, he is getting more talent and our offense is getting better every year.To even think about being able to replace Ben is nuts, Ben is the perfect player for this team. He makes the oline look better then it is the way he extends plays and is so hard to bring down. Haley has done a great job calling plays that has also made this oline look better.
Fix the defense and god please get back to drafting better players and Ben could.....could win 2 more titles! Sign this guy up and make sure the most important position in this sport is covered for the next 5 years. We have the youth on the offensive side of the ball, this isn't a time to rebuild but a time to go for the prize with a guy who has proven he can do that! He wants to be here and we sure the hell need him so this shouldn't be a Cutler type deal but more of a Brady type deal. Ben wants to win and I am sure he understands our cap situation as well.

 

[Xc944]

What's kept the Steelers from winning is drafting. Bad players taken too high. That has nothing to do with Ben. Like I said, name the last time the Steelers won a SB with a great team and a lesser QB. The Steelers don't sniff a SB over the past 10 years without Ben. They need to draft better NOT look for some rookie QB of the future. We've had tons of those.

im sorry but they do sniff the Super Bowl without Ben. Ben still has never carried this team. He was horrendous in 10 playoffs and they still made the Super Bowl. He's a good qb and that's about it. He finally made the playoffs without a top 5 scoring defense wow now he can join all those qbs that do that consistently. His playoff numbers are terrible other then this year his regular season numbers are ok IN TODAYS nfl and signing him to a big contract will only hamper this team going forward. I don't expect the steelers to do a thing for the rest of his career for many reasons and his new big contract will be one of them

 

[Vader]

im sorry but they do sniff the Super Bowl without Ben. Ben still has never carried this team. He was horrendous in 10 playoffs and they still made the Super Bowl. He's a good qb and that's about it. He finally made the playoffs without a top 5 scoring defense wow now he can join all those qbs that do that consistently. His playoff numbers are terrible other then this year his regular season numbers are ok IN TODAYS nfl and signing him to a big contract will only hamper this team going forward. I don't expect the steelers to do a thing for the rest of his career for many reasons and his new big contract will be one of them

You are thinking about the Jets game. But obviously they don't even get to the Jets unless they beat the Rats. His numbers vs. the rats were: 19 of 32 226 yards 2 TDs 0 ints. Not to shabby with a 101.8 QBR. Even against GB he has over a 62% comp. One of his picks was because his stupid OC drew up a long bomb to Wallace in the endzone. Of course the OL allowed a rusher to hit Ben right as he was throwing.

Again name me the lesser QB the Steelers have won with? Hell Russell Wilson threw 4 ints. and nobody blinks a eye. He lost the SB on a pick. Kapper can't even make the playoffs and has a bad year and nobody cares. Luck get hammered by NE twice but nobody blames him. Ben has ONE bad game in the playoffs and "He was horrendous in the 2010 playoffs". No he wasn't. He had one bad game. In TODAYS NFL you better have a QB that can pass the ball. The days of ground and pound are over.

 

[blitzburghv5]

Didnt we make it to the AFCCG twice w Kordell ?

 

[Steel G]

Ben's numbers weren't great for that Jets championship game, but he freaking closed it out and made it so the defense didn't have to retake the field. Sometimes numbers don't tell the whole story of how a guy played and he was key to that victory. As for Ben's overall numbers being just OK, that's a freaking joke. He's in the top 5 or top 8 in most of the categories behind the usual suspect guys like Manning, Brees and Brady. His numbers are good to very good. He does only have a 21-19 TD to INT ratio in the playoffs, but he's also got 10 wins out of 15 games. That's a winning QB. For comparison's sake:

Maddox's playoff numbers 1 win 1 loss, 5TDs, 3INTs
Stewart's playoff numbers 5 wins 4 losses, 2TDs 8INTs
Tomczak: 1 win 1 loss, 0TDs, 4INTs
O'Donnell: 3 wins 4 losses, 9TDs, 8INTs
Brister: 1 win 1 loss, 1TD, 0INTs
Malone: 1 win 2 losses, 4TDs, 3INTs
Stoudt: 0 wins 1 loss, 1TD, 1INT
Bradshaw: 14 wins, 5 losses, 30TDs, 26INTs

 

[Steelz]

I don't hate Ben but lately he's been looking a lot like Tony Romo in the regular season/playoffs lately. If we want to win another championship he's going to have to play better in the playoffs like he used to.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

I don't hate Ben but lately he's been looking a lot like Tony Romo in the regular season/playoffs lately. If we want to win another championship he's going to have to play better in the playoffs like he used to.

Like 5 years ago.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Didnt we make it to the AFCCG twice w Kordell ?

Yes but the defense was good at the time. We won a SB with the offense ranked at 22nd in points (I think) but the defense was playing lights out.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

Didnt we make it to the AFCCG twice w Kordell ?

YEAH!!! Bring back Kordellll!!!!!

Said no one,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ever.

 

[steelerscotty]

My point is it takes a team to win it all and the team that shows up on Sunday is not enough. The ravens beat us quite handily. Ben is not washed up but I do not think he is still "in his prime". He is still good and will continue to slip in quality from now on, even though he may still have the occasional game like the two he had at over 500 yards this past season. We may actually get to a point where his replacement can be drafted not this year but likely next year and allowed to develop. I think the schedule, the continued deterioration of our defense will take a major toll on the record, along with the team lack of effort that seems to show up through out the season.

Had his best statistical season, breaking personal, Steeler and NFL records yet he isn't still in his prime?

 

[blitzburghv5]

YEAH!!! Bring back Kordellll!!!!!

Said no one,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,ever.

Im just pointing out the obvious that we did actually come close to making TWO other SB appearances when it was said earlier that we didnt sniff one between Bradshaw and Ben..Never suggested we bring Stewart back.

 

[oicu8ad]

Yes but the defense was good at the time. We won a SB with the offense ranked at 22nd in points (I think) but the defense was playing lights out.

And that GREAT defense would have LOST it for us if Ben hadn't saved the mutha ****** day. Ben should have be MVP that SB.

 

[steelbush]

Ben is the least of this teams concerns. QBs are everything in this league, EVERYTHING!....and the fact that you have to explain this to some people is absolutely moronic.

 

[topseed]

Nothing was brought up when he didn't receive a single vote for MVP (even tho Romo and Murray each got some consideration), and nothing is being brought up about his current negotiations. Either y'all are slipping or just plain hate the guy. This is the first big step for this offseason, and will likely be a tell-tale on how the rest of the offseason unfolds.

Like many of your rantings, this statement makes absolutely no sense. Wouldn't the guys who supposedly "really DO hate Ben" go out of their way to point out the fact that despite his statistical career year, he didn't receive any MVP votes?

I would agree with Xc944 in not expecting the Steelers to do much for the rest of Ben's career, for many reasons, with his new big contract handicapping a defense which is already years away from being competitive when it counts. Even the friendliest of contracts (such as the one deljzc outlined) won't get Ben another ring before his skills begin to inevitably decline, and once that happens, the Steelers are truly ******.

 

[Punxsutawney]

Like many of your rantings, this statement makes absolutely no sense. Wouldn't the guys who supposedly "really DO hate Ben" go out of their way to point out the fact that despite his statistical career year, he didn't receive any MVP votes?

I would agree with Xc944 in not expecting the Steelers to do much for the rest of Ben's career, for many reasons, with his new big contract handicapping a defense which is already years away from being competitive when it counts. Even the friendliest of contracts (such as the one deljzc outlined) won't get Ben another ring before his skills begin to inevitably decline, and once that happens, the Steelers are truly ******.

Given that the Steelers are never big spenders in free agency, please explain how Roethlisberger's new contract is going to further handicap the defense.

More cap space is not going to magically make them draft better.

Roethlisberger probably has three or four prime years left, which is an eternity in today's NFL. If they cannot build a remotely decent defense during that time span, it will have little to do with what they're paying Roethlisberger.

 

[Vader]

Given that the Steelers are never big spenders in free agency, please explain how Roethlisberger's new contract is going to further handicap the defense.

More cap space is not going to magically make them draft better.

Roethlisberger probably has three or four prime years left, which is an eternity in today's NFL. If they cannot build a remotely decent defense during that time span, it will have little to do with what they're paying Roethlisberger.

I've been saying this for years now. Nobody can explain it but it keeps being said as if it is a fact. The Steelers are NEVER going to spend money like Snyder to buy a defense. It has to come through the draft. Having $100 million to spend won't help the draft a damn bit better. But for some reason people can't get that through their heads. IF Jones, Worilds, Hood, Allen were great players then Ben's contract is irrelevant. This isn't difficult to understand.

 

[Coryea]

I've been saying this for years now. Nobody can explain it but it keeps being said as if it is a fact. The Steelers are NEVER going to spend money like Snyder to buy a defense. It has to come through the draft. Having $100 million to spend won't help the draft a damn bit better. But for some reason people can't get that through their heads. IF Jones, Worilds, Hood, Allen were great players then Ben's contract is irrelevant. This isn't difficult to understand.

unfortunately it is hard for people to understand.

 

[Wingman]

They have signed a few free agents in years gone by that were not scrap heap players, and on occasion traded for one who is going into the hall of fame by the way. Wayne Gandy left tackle, Kevin Green LB, J. Bettis, trade, James Farrier LB, Ryan Clark safety, I am sure there are others. At this point the defense needs much more than can be drafted and if the wait for the draft to fill it not only will Ben be a memory but it is likely our wide outs will as well. The only way for them to do something in the near future is to play in free agency, something that they have not done a lot of. Or we could resemble the dolphins during the time they had a great qb and only went to the sb once during his time there, they also had a coach that was much better than what we have now as well.

 

[Punxsutawney]

They have signed a few free agents in years gone by that were not scrap heap players, and on occasion traded for one who is going into the hall of fame by the way. Wayne Gandy left tackle, Kevin Green LB, J. Bettis, trade, James Farrier LB, Ryan Clark safety, I am sure there are others. At this point the defense needs much more than can be drafted and if the wait for the draft to fill it not only will Ben be a memory but it is likely our wide outs will as well. The only way for them to do something in the near future is to play in free agency, something that they have not done a lot of. Or we could resemble the dolphins during the time they had a great qb and only went to the sb once during his time there, they also had a coach that was much better than what we have now as well.

The problem with what you advocate is that even if they successfully use the money they did not give to Roethlisberger to acquire defensive talent via free agency and/or trade, there's a great chance they'll be no closer to winning the Super Bowl than they are now because the QB position will suck.

Too many people underestimate how QB oriented the league has become and what the implications of that are. If you have a franchise QB, you have to try to keep him and build around him for as long as he can play.